Don,
Congratulations on placing second in the public vote. Like I said earlier, the public vote never was set up to count for squat .. but congratulations none the less.
Maybe it's kinda like the Oscars where the "members" decide which movies are good .. and the "public" decides which movies make the money.
> Don,
> Congratulations on placing second in the
> public vote. Like I said earlier, the public
> vote never was set up to count for squat ..
> but congratulations none the less.
> Maybe it's kinda like the Oscars where the
> "members" decide which movies are
> good .. and the "public" decides
> which movies make the money.
Yes, I was disappointed in the choices. Leaving myself aside, the two picks (Keith Taft and Max Rubin) would have finished far, far down on my personal ballot. Speaking of them in the same breath as the likes of Julian Braun, Lance Humble, etc., is just plain silly in my mind.
Don
> Yes, I was disappointed in the choices.
> Leaving myself aside, the two picks (Keith
> Taft and Max Rubin) would have finished far,
> far down on my personal ballot. Speaking of
> them in the same breath as the likes of
> Julian Braun, Lance Humble, etc., is just
> plain silly in my mind.
> Don
Hey Don,
This is beyond silly. Max Rubin has a interesting strategy about educated ploppy play to max out comps but what has he done for the science of card counting. If this was a Advantage Player hall of fame well then I would have considered him in the running. At the last GC party I distinctly remember SW state with pride that he is a card counter and not an advantage player. You had my vote for H O F. This is as LVBear says "is silly ploppy nonsense". Don Keep on counting! LTC
> Hey Don,
> This is beyond silly. Max Rubin has a
> interesting strategy about educated ploppy
> play to max out comps but what has he done
> for the science of card counting. If this
> was a Advantage Player hall of fame well
> then I would have considered him in the
> running. At the last GC party I distinctly
> remember SW state with pride that he is a
> card counter and not an advantage player.
> You had my vote for H O F. This is as LVBear
> says "is silly ploppy nonsense".
> Don Keep on counting! LTC
If you are a competent card counter then you are an advantage player.
Putting that aside, I think you misunderstand the HOF. It is not reserved for card counters. Why would it be? The most skilled players rarely count cards.
Personally I think the choices were excellent. My guess is that Taft was an overwhelming choice. Is it possible that some professionals know something you don't?
Vinny D.
> If you are a competent card counter then you
> are an advantage player.
> Putting that aside, I think you
> misunderstand the HOF. It is not reserved
> for card counters. Why would it be? The most
> skilled players rarely count cards.
> Personally I think the choices were
> excellent. My guess is that Taft was an
> overwhelming choice. Is it possible that
> some professionals know something you don't?
> Vinny D.
"the most skilled players rarely count cards." Are you talking about bj, or something else?
> If you are a competent card counter then you
> are an advantage player.
> Putting that aside, I think you
> misunderstand the HOF. It is not reserved
> for card counters. Why would it be? The most
> skilled players rarely count cards.
> Personally I think the choices were
> excellent. My guess is that Taft was an
> overwhelming choice. Is it possible that
> some professionals know something you don't?
It may not be the card counter hall of fame, but it is the Blackjack Hall of Fame rather than the Advantage Player Hall of Fame.
Personally, I don't have a problem with Taft, but Max Rubin? I don't see how "bet more when the pit boss is watching" has added much to the game of blackjack. Max is a comp hustler, not an advantage player. Who is next, Jean Scott?
But hey, it's his party.
It's my understanding Max is (or was) a casino employee(consultant) who gives tips on comp hustling and getting the best bang for a buck. Other than that, his contributions to are pretty nil.
You want a legend? How about KEN USTON,funny I hear no mention of his name in the hall of fame. The only possible and logical way Max got voted in, (that I can think of)is from his many(casino?) friends.- Yet,more evidence that too many casino trolls are hitting the internet these days.
> Putting that aside, I think you
> misunderstand the HOF. It is not reserved
> for card counters.
Then it's not reserved for MAX either,not even close. Wouldn't be surprised if he admits this himself.
>The most skilled players rarely count cards.
Then what do they do,cheat? Yeah,I know there's hole cards to be found in them' der' hills.
Card counting is the major practical way to achieve advantage. Too much time is wasted trying other nonconventional methods.
Where's the site that performed the casting of votes?
thanks,
Real Man
Uston is one of the original seven members of the BJ Hall of Fame. Link below.
> Card counting is the major practical way to
> achieve advantage. Too much time is wasted
> trying other nonconventional methods.
> thanks,
> Real Man
I agree that card counting is the most common way to achieve an advantage in Blackjack but 'nonconventional' methods, such as 'Tracking' is far more powerful, in the right conditions.
Best regards
Geoff
I agree that card counting is the most common way to achieve an advantage in Blackjack but 'nonconventional' methods, such as 'Tracking' is far more powerful, in the right conditions.
Tracking is a subset of counting.
> I agree that card counting is the most
> common way to achieve an advantage in
> Blackjack but 'nonconventional' methods,
> such as 'Tracking' is far more powerful, in
> the right conditions. Tracking is a subset
> of counting.
Whoops - I don't think that I used the correct wording in my initial statement as I didn't mean it to correspond with 'shuffle tracking'.
I meant tracking the cards i.e. 'Ace location' although I should have been more precise with my wording.
Best regards
Geoff
> If you are a competent card counter then you
> are an advantage player.
> Putting that aside, I think you
> misunderstand the HOF. It is not reserved
> for card counters. Why would it be? The most
> skilled players rarely count cards.
> Personally I think the choices were
> excellent. My guess is that Taft was an
> overwhelming choice. Is it possible that
> some professionals know something you don't?
> Vinny D.
Vinny I am a advantage player. I play other games that I have been successful at making money. But as Parker and the others have stated "this is the BJ hall of Fame." Taft, I admit, I am ignorant of his contributions but Max Rubin as I have said is interesting but his strategy is a losing one. I play for comps but I also try and add positive EV to it. Losing 5K and getting five days of RFB does not compute in my book. Oh yeah I will always be a card counter first. LTC
Your post is typical of the ignorance that exists on these boards. You obviously don't understand the selection process for the HOF, the accomplishments of the nominees, or advanced advantage play.
> It's my understanding Max is (or was) a
> casino employee(consultant) who gives tips
> on comp hustling and getting the best bang
> for a buck. Other than that, his
> contributions to are pretty nil.
> You want a legend? How about KEN USTON,funny
> I hear no mention of his name in the hall of
> fame.
Ken Uston is one of the original members of the HOF. I do agree with one point. It is funny that you have heard no mention of his name in the hall of fame.
>The only possible and logical way Max
> got voted in, (that I can think of)is from
> his many(casino?) friends.- Yet,more
> evidence that too many casino trolls are
> hitting the internet these days.
The internet counted for only one vote. The rest of the votes were cast by attendees of the Blackjack Ball-a gathering of some of the most skilled players in the world.
> Then it's not reserved for MAX either,not
> even close. Wouldn't be surprised if he
> admits this himself.
> Then what do they do,cheat? Yeah,I know
> there's hole cards to be found in them' der'
> hills.
> Card counting is the major practical way to
> achieve advantage. Too much time is wasted
> trying other nonconventional methods.
Counting is the most common form of advantage play, however, I was talking about methods used by the most skilled players.
Maybe it is a waste of time for you to try unconventional techniques, but many people make a living off of those methods.
> Where's the site that performed the casting
> of votes?
> thanks,
> Real Man
Your welcome
Vinny D
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