ODAAT: Simulation software ?

[ODAAT]

I am trying to evaluate which simulation software to get. I have CVBJ and have looked at the Qfit site regarding CVData and CVCX. I am still unclear about what I can do with this. I also have received output from others from Pro BJ Analyzer. Anyone care to offer their insight?

Thanks,

ODAAT

[Parker]

> I am trying to evaluate which simulation
> software to get. I have CVBJ and have looked
> at the Qfit site regarding CVData and CVCX.
> I am still unclear about what I can do with
> this. I also have received output from
> others from Pro BJ Analyzer. Anyone care to
> offer their insight?

I have recently been running many sims with CVCX and CVData.

CVData is blazingly fast. On my "budget" system that I use for Windows programs (1.6 GHz AMD Duron CPU, 258 MB RAM) it will sim a billion hands in just over ten minutes.

CVCX presents data in a format similar to that found in Chapter ten of Blackjack Attack (hence the name), but with many more parameters. In addition, the various data adjusts "on the fly" when a parameter is changed.

For example, you can immediately see the resulting changes in SCORE, EV, win rate, ROR, etc., as you increase or decrease penetration (which can be done in 1-card increments) for a given set of rules.

If you were to print out every possible chart and table that can be generated from just one CVData sim, you would have, well, a book.

If there is anything that can be done with other simulaters that cannot be done with CVCX/CVData, I am unaware of it. There are a myriad of things that CVCX/CVdata can do that cannot be done with any other simulator.

Here is just one: If you have Casino Verite set up for a custom count (KO, for example) you can import this into CVCX or CVData for your simulations with a couple of mouseclicks.

The Qfit products are competitively priced, and the service Norm provides is unsurpassed.

I don't mean to knock the other simulators, but why would anyone buy anything else?

[Magician]

> I also have received output from
> others from Pro BJ Analyzer. Anyone care to
> offer their insight?

PBA has not been updated in four years. QFIT constantly updates the CV product line and these updates are usually free to download.

[Random Poster]

I recently bought both the CV suite as well as the BJ 6-7-8 software packages. I haven't gotten around to use the CV suite, but BJ 6-7-8 thus far has really impressed me. It has a stand-alone game and it also offers quite a few simulations including Counter Strategy simulations for various game conditions. There are a couple things I don't like about this software, for instance, it doesn't have a risk-aversion function and the count indices are only from -10 to 20, but for $40, it's definitely a great value and very versatile.

FYI, the simulation to develop playing strategies run up to 3,000,000 simulations for each starting 2 cards. I think it translates to 13!*3,000,000 total hands. On my 2Ghz computer, it takes 11 hours to run this simulation...

> I am trying to evaluate which simulation
> software to get. I have CVBJ and have looked
> at the Qfit site regarding CVData and CVCX.
> I am still unclear about what I can do with
> this. I also have received output from
> others from Pro BJ Analyzer. Anyone care to
> offer their insight?

> Thanks,

> ODAAT

[Norm Wattenberger]

> FYI, the simulation to develop playing
> strategies run up to 3,000,000 simulations
> for each starting 2 cards. I think it
> translates to 13!*3,000,000 total hands. On
> my 2Ghz computer, it takes 11 hours to run
> this simulation...

That isn't a tiny bit close to enough. It also isn't the correct methodology. Since you bought it, try CVData. It is 50-100 times the speed for sims and far faster yet for indexes.