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Thread: Gordon Gecko: Determining a playable game.

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    Gordon Gecko
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    Gordon Gecko: Determining a playable game.

    I would like some examples of each of these games as to better help me understand exactly what to look for when walking through a casino and scouting out a good game to play. I usually play 6 decks in Ca and LV playing red. Im solid at Basic Strategy, and use KO. I would also like an example of play-all conditions for 6 decks.

    1) Excellent game

    2) Good game

    3) Poor game

    Thank You

    gg

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    Nifty_4952
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    Nifty_4952: Re: Determining a playable game.

    > I would like some examples of each of these
    > games as to better help me understand
    > exactly what to look for when walking
    > through a casino and scouting out a good
    > game to play. I usually play 6 decks in Ca
    > and LV playing red. Im solid at Basic
    > Strategy, and use KO. I would also like an
    > example of play-all conditions for 6 decks.

    > 1) Excellent game

    > 2) Good game

    > 3) Poor game

    > Thank You

    > gg

    I asked a similar question and was given a good answer via Parker. What you are looking for is Don's Score system, its quite revealing. You will find it in Blackjack Attack Second Edition.

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    Gordon Gecko
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    Gordon Gecko: Re: Determining a playable game.

    > I asked a similar question and was given a
    > good answer via Parker. What you are looking
    > for is Don's Score system, its quite
    > revealing. You will find it in Blackjack
    > Attack Second Edition.

    Ahhh thanks but... That doesnt answer my question. Im sure that most questions here can be answered if you have the right publication. I really dont think this is top secret information that is not freely shared to the public. His book IS on my list to get though. Im sure you'll get a few brownie points from Don for the plug. However, if someone is kind enough to take the time to answer my question that would be great.

    gg

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    Sun Runner
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    Sun Runner: Re: Determining a playable game.

    > I really dont think this is top
    > secret information that is not freely shared
    > to the public.

    It's not. It is shared to the public in his book.

    There are a lot of good books out there that I would gladly accept brownie points for recommending, but as it happens, to answer your particular question, that is the best one -on this subject -that I have read. There may be others.

    It is a function of a many things, the penetration, house rules, crowd conditions, mid-shoe entry (or not), how many decks you are playing against, etc.

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: Determining a playable game.

    Despite the other answers, let me add the following:

    If you play-all in 6-decks, the conditiopns will almost never be "excellent." Playing all at shoe games is rarely an "excellent" thing to do.

    You need to tell us the spread you normally use; without that, an answer really isn't possible.

    Don

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    masterplayer
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    masterplayer: Re: Determining a playable game.

    > I would like some examples of each of these
    > games as to better help me understand
    > exactly what to look for when walking
    > through a casino and scouting out a good
    > game to play. I usually play 6 decks in Ca
    > and LV playing red. Im solid at Basic
    > Strategy, and use KO. I would also like an
    > example of play-all conditions for 6 decks.

    > 1) Excellent game

    > 2) Good game

    > 3) Poor game

    > Thank You

    > gg
    I'm sure that Don will agree that anyone who "plays all" at 6 or 8 decks is not an advantage player. You need to take the approaches he describes in his book: Mr. Perfect, WongIn-Wong Out or Rabbit. Buy the excellent book and get an education before playing.

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    ET Fan
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    ET Fan: Walking through a casino

    OK

    1) Excellent game: 5/6 LS S17 DAS RSA (beyond that, let your imagination go wild -- doubling on split aces -- 5 card auto win -- 2:1 BJ -- stop me, I'm swooning!)

    2) Good game: Lots of choices. As above, without the Late Surrender. Or with surrender, but 4.5 pen. Or how about 5/6 LS H17 noDAS noRSA.

    3) Poor game: Anything less than good.

    But when you're walkng through a casino, if just looking at 6d, you usually don't have much choice in rules. You're generally looking for decent pen, and/or the fewest number of players at the table.

    Here's a tip: try to find really fast dealers who are either very smug (with a chip on the shoulder) or really yucking it up, having a good time.

    ETF

    > I would like some examples of each of these
    > games as to better help me understand
    > exactly what to look for when walking
    > through a casino and scouting out a good
    > game to play. I usually play 6 decks in Ca
    > and LV playing red. Im solid at Basic
    > Strategy, and use KO. I would also like an
    > example of play-all conditions for 6 decks.

    > 1) Excellent game

    > 2) Good game

    > 3) Poor game

    > Thank You

    > gg

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    onetoomany
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    onetoomany: Re: Walking through a casino

    > OK
    > Here's a tip: try to find really fast
    > dealers who are either very smug (with a
    > chip on the shoulder) or really yucking it
    > up, having a good time.

    Curious, what's the reasoning for seeking out a smug dealer?? [is it for no tipping reason?]

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    Nifty_4952
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    Nifty_4952: Re: Determining a playable game.

    > I'm sure that Don will agree that anyone who
    > "plays all" at 6 or 8 decks is not
    > an advantage player. You need to take the
    > approaches he describes in his book: Mr.
    > Perfect, WongIn-Wong Out or Rabbit. Buy the
    > excellent book and get an education before
    > playing.

    I "play all" 6 Deck (among other number of decks)and consider myself an advantage player. I grant you its not easy, however with careful selection of dealer pen and rules it puts money in my pocket. If the pen isnt there, I simply walk.

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    ET Fan
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    ET Fan: Re: Walking through a casino

    Find a post on this board called Cocky Dealers. But I like the no tipping idea too.

    ETF

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    Dog Hand
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    Dog Hand: Re: Walking through a casino

    > Here's a tip: try to find really fast
    > dealers who are either very smug (with a
    > chip on the shoulder) or really yucking it
    > up, having a good time.

    > ETF


    ETF,

    I have to agree wholeheartedly with playing with the dealer who is "yucking it up": it really makes for an enjoyable experience. I used to play regularly at a certain establishment (before they changed the rules), and one dealer in particular was so enjoyable that I actually wrote a letter to the casino complimenting the dealer, and suggesting that she be used as an example to their other dealers. The next time I stopped by (several months after writing), she remembered the letter, said that her boss had given it to her, and thanked me profusely for taking the time to write, as it had helped her during her employee review. I only wish the casino would bring back that playable game!

    Dog Hand

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    humble
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    humble: Re: Walking through a casino

    > I only wish the casino would bring
    > back that playable game!

    They can't. They need the money to cough up your dealer's pay rise.

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    bj jack
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    bj jack: Re: Determining a playable game.

    > I would like some examples of each of these
    > games as to better help me understand
    > exactly what to look for when walking
    > through a casino and scouting out a good
    > game to play. I usually play 6 decks in Ca
    > and LV playing red. Im solid at Basic
    > Strategy, and use KO. I would also like an
    > example of play-all conditions for 6 decks.

    > 1) Excellent game

    > 2) Good game

    > 3) Poor game

    > Thank You

    > gg

    Let me try to give you some kind of answer. Without getting into this rating thing. Penatration will be your most important factor. If you found a game with 1-deck cut that would be considered excellent, that allows you to double after split,and all the other usual LV rules. Try to play with few players as possible and with quick dealers. Penatration will detemine the quality of the game and how much you can win from it. Do not play any game that has more than 11/2 cut from it,you will be wasting your money, and you just don't have to.the difference between 1 deck and 11/2 cut, you could add about 50% to your exp value. The other rules of the game are not as important as Pen.
    Having said that if you had the choice and it sounds like you do i would play 2-deck, your spread to beat it is less and you get more hands per hour, another important factor. But above all else get the book/s mentioned by the other players, it has answers to millions of questions you will have on your bj journey. Black jack Attack, by the Don, Pro Bj by Wong and Burning The Tables by Anderson. They are my personal favorites. The first 2 are a constant source of reference for anything you want to know and you won't get any better info anywhere else on the game. i hope this was some help.

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