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    Norm Wattenberger
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    Norm Wattenberger: Casino Verite Blackjack Version 3 is now available


    CVBJ V3 with CVDrills, CVTest & CVJournal is available. Click the link below for info.




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    Alan
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    Alan: Re: Casino Verite Blackjack Version 3 is now avail

    The new CVBJ3 is a major step forward.

    I was privileged to be part of the testing and suggestions process.

    In particular, the addition of a chip counting drill for tournament practice, the addition of "hot buttons" and the brilliantly simple "groups" setup for adding and customising unbalanced counts, has added a further dimension to what was already an excellent software package.

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    Norm Wattenberger
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    Norm Wattenberger: Re: Casino Verite Blackjack Version 3 is now avail


    > In particular, the addition of a chip
    > counting drill for tournament practice....

    I think tournament play is an oft overlooked area of advantage play. Correct play certainly provides an advantage. And there is zero heat.




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    sl4v3
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    sl4v3: Re: Casino Verite Blackjack Version 3 is now avail

    > I think tournament play is an oft overlooked
    > area of advantage play. Correct play
    > certainly provides an advantage. And there
    > is zero heat.

    I've never played or seen a tournament and not quite sure how they work, but it seems to me that winning a tournament would establish for you a reputation as a good blackjack player and that on subsequent visits to that casino you might get more attention from the pit/sky, even though you got 0 heat during the actual tournament. Is this not the case?

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    Advantage Jack
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    Advantage Jack: Why play tournament??? Open invitation 2 counters!

    I agree with this assessment of sl4 v3.

    I just came back from a trip to Reno, and I learned about this tourney thing first time. They have this tournament every Tuesday evening at the PepperMill and I happened to be playing there this Tuesday while the tour was going on. I talked to the dealer and a couple of "local players" (read: regulars) and my impression was that it was pretty much *assumed* that you needed to count cards to win. (It was never said explicitly though. Actually the dealer mentioned "86" jokingly.) I don't agree with Norm's statement that there's no heat for playing tournament. It seems to me this tour thing is a big scam by casinos to "sort out" card counters.

    I was told the first prize would be (typically) around $1000. I don't know why you wanna *give out your identity* for this amount of money.

    Just a thought,
    ~Jack

    > I've never played or seen a tournament and
    > not quite sure how they work, but it seems
    > to me that winning a tournament would
    > establish for you a reputation as a good
    > blackjack player and that on subsequent
    > visits to that casino you might get more
    > attention from the pit/sky, even though you
    > got 0 heat during the actual tournament. Is
    > this not the case?

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    Parker
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    Parker: Not true

    > I agree with this assessment of sl4 v3.

    > I just came back from a trip to Reno, and I
    > learned about this tourney thing first time.
    > They have this tournament every Tuesday
    > evening at the PepperMill and I happened to
    > be playing there this Tuesday while the tour
    > was going on. I talked to the dealer and a
    > couple of "local players" (read:
    > regulars) and my impression was that it was
    > pretty much *assumed* that you needed to
    > count cards to win. (It was never said
    > explicitly though. Actually the dealer
    > mentioned "86" jokingly.) I don't
    > agree with Norm's statement that there's no
    > heat for playing tournament. It seems to me
    > this tour thing is a big scam by casinos to
    > "sort out" card counters.

    > I was told the first prize would be
    > (typically) around $1000. I don't know why
    > you wanna *give out your identity* for this
    > amount of money.

    > Just a thought,
    > ~Jack

    Tournament play is radically different from regular blackjack play. You are playing against the other players, not the house. A completely different strategy is required, and card counting is actually of marginal value.

    Tournament prizes range from a few hundred dollars to the one million dollars that the Las Vegas Hilton is offering as the grand prize in their tournament.

    Many casinos hold invitational tournaments - only their "preferred" players are invited. These often include several nights RFB, in addition to the prize money.

    There are even a few "tournament pros" - players who travel around the country playing tournaments, rarely playing conventional blackjack.

    For more on tournament play, I recommend reading Casino Tournament Strategy by Stanford Wong.

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    Norm Wattenberger
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    Norm Wattenberger: Agree...

    > Tournament play is radically different from
    > regular blackjack play

    Counting chips is far more important than counting cards. Incidentally, one of the top tournament players awhile back was blind. Her husband would tell her each hand and bankroll on the table. Can you imagine a counter getting away with that I doubt many counters play in tournaments. I hadn't seen much interest in the tournament features of CV until recently. I've had several users tell me that they've entered the Hilton tournament. In fact three of the beta testers are in the tournament. Nothing like a million dollar pot to draw interest.

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    Advantage Jack
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    Advantage Jack: I'm not sure....

    > I doubt
    > many counters play in tournaments.

    I don't know the exact rules of tournaments and I'll assume that it requires very different skill sets than counting cards as suggested (by Parker and Norm). But, let's suppose someone is interested enough in BlackJack to enter into BJ tournaments. And let's suppose he is serious enough to spend some extra hours to learn some necessary (exotic) skills to win in the tournaments. Don't you think that he will mostly likely play at regular BJ tables and he will mostly likely spend some time to learn some basic counting methods?

    I think there are *a lot* higher percentage of Ad players in tournaments than at regular BJ tables, where most of the players don't even know BS.

    (It'll be probably a different story with "Pros", who (can) make a living from tournaments (because they just might have too much to lose from playing/counting at BJ tables).)

    Just an opinion,
    ~Jack

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    Norm Wattenberger
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    Norm Wattenberger: Re: I'm not sure....

    BJ Confidential is the magazine read by tournament players. I subscribed to the magazine for years. In all those years, I never once saw counting mentioned. It doesn't apply. Tournament BJ is simply a different game than BJ. You don't win or lose the chips that you play. You win or lose cash prizes. There is no house edge as often 100% of the sign-up fees are given back in prizes. Double down on hard 19 and splitting tens against a ten are valid plays in some circumstances. There are most certainly advantage tournament players. But, if they played at the normal tables they wouldn't be playing at an advantage. Although I suppose it could happen; I've never heard of a tournament player barred from normal play based on his tournament performance.

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    Advantage Jack
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    Advantage Jack: Thanks, Norm.

    OK, I'm not gonna argue with the person who has much more experience (and knowledge) than me. ;-) But, this tour thing sounds really interesting to me, and I'll try to look into it more. (One more ad player turned into tourney player? Actually, just one more gambler turned into tour player??? :-O)

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