PaddyBoy: High counts after continous lows

[PaddyBoy]

Been playing tonight and the first 3 shoes were low counts to +1,so i was mostly min betting(5$).I thought to myself if i stay for the next shoe and the count goes high wont it look strange if i start increasing my bets up to 60$(my max).I left(only 1 BJ table was open).
did i do the right thing?Cover wise.Or should i have stayed and if it went high say something like "Time to start gambling!,ive been too cautious"
There doesnt seem to be much heat in this place but I was wondering if dealers see a guy increasing bets rapidly after min betting a lot are they supposed to report this to the pit bosses?

[Mister M]

The optimum word is 'rapidly'.
Whilst it is more profitable to bet exactly with the count, and jump accordingly,that is only possible when no heat exists.
I would have stayed at the table and used the cover advice in BJA11 which I cannot improve on so I will not attempt to.This is not without cost however, but better safe than sorry.

[Shark]

You are a low stakes bettor. Your expectation is about minimum wage. You can't afford any cover tactics that have a price tag attached to them. At your level you don't need any cover at all. If you hesitate to raise your bets whenever the counts is indicating to do so, you should stay away from casinos at all times. If it makes you feel better you can say whatever you think would defuse heat.Shark

> The optimum word is 'rapidly'.
> Whilst it is more profitable to bet exactly
> with the count, and jump accordingly,that is
> only possible when no heat exists.
> I would have stayed at the table and used
> the cover advice in BJA11 which I cannot
> improve on so I will not attempt to.This is
> not without cost however, but better safe
> than sorry.

[Mister M]

Only Paddyboy can tell us of the heat situation at his game.It is quite irrelevant whether the stakes are high or low.If the pbs back you off the say goodbye to a potentially profitable game and I don't feel that lower bet levels are a consideration.If you're deemed by personal to have an advantage then it's au revoir!!
DO NOT jump unless there is NO heat at all.
In Europe / Asia the betting and bs plays border on the insane so I do jump.Any heat and i'm gone!

[PaddyBoy]

> Only Paddyboy can tell us of the heat
> situation at his game.It is quite irrelevant
> whether the stakes are high or low.If the
> pbs back you off the say goodbye to a
> potentially profitable game and I don't feel
> that lower bet levels are a consideration.If
> you're deemed by personal to have an
> advantage then it's au revoir!!
> DO NOT jump unless there is NO heat at all.
> In Europe / Asia the betting and bs plays
> border on the insane so I do jump.Any heat
> and i'm gone!

Doesnt seem to be much heat,but i will try what shark says for a bit and see what reactions i get.
About insane betting and bs,this seems to be when asians are at the table I love sharing a table with them as you can get away with a lot then!I saw a guy surrender 2,3 v 9 one night and the next hand shoved about 10 times his usual bet out!

[big nguyen]

The keys are:
You have not detected any heat.
Your top bet is only $60.

Don't use any cover. The majority of joints in the (USA at least) could care less about someone with a max of $60.

Another point: You,in effect, backed yourself off by leaving before that fourth shoe. Play your game - watch for reactions to your max bet and guage your opponent accordingly. Don't do their work for them by leaving a game you can beat, when you have no evidence they don't want your action.

[Mister M]

I had never suggested to use cover at games without heat,if ther's no heat then jump of course.
Yes i've played with asians and seen plays such as splitting 10;s v 7, or double 9v8! At these games NO cover is needed as the other players jump all the time with the view of re-couping their loses!
IMHO ALWAYS evaluate a casinos policy re the heat before assuming they will not back you off at the lower limits.

[MathProf]

I disagree with comments about doing things when there is NO HEAT.

At higher levels, there is always Heat. They don't hawk your game from the floor, they do it from the sky. Lots of people get backed off and had no idea they were being watched.

I never see a boss go to the phone on me at a "High Stakes" room. They don't have to. The guys in Surveillance know they should be watching everything in the high limit area, all the time.

This doesn't really apply to Low Stakes players; I don't think the sky is watching a red chip player. But at higher levels, "No Heat" doesn't necessarily mean anything.

> DO NOT jump unless there is NO heat at all.
> In Europe / Asia the betting and bs plays
> border on the insane so I do jump.Any heat
> and i'm gone!

[Mister M]

I agree that when one is at lower levels it is not correct to assume there will be no heat.
Shark stated that at low levels no cover is required but IMHO this is too vague.
You will be asked not to play ANYTIME the casino identifies you as a successful counter.
Jumping ones bet from one unit to max after a plethora of low cards is a dead givaway.
My advice to Paddyboy stands, evaluate the casino FIRST.

[george I.]

I like to involve the other players in my game when the risks of any argue is low.This covers a
lot.

[Bettie]

> did i do the right thing?

No. However, you may have bought yourself some time at this casino because IF they were watching you at all, they saw you leave the table at the first plus count in 3 shoes. What kind of a counter does that?

Cover wise.Or
> should i have stayed and if it went high say
> something like "Time to start
> gambling!,ive been too cautious"

There are a few thing you can say similar in effect to what you've suggested above. For example, "Let's have some fun before dinner!" (also gives you an excuse to bolt when the count drops afterward). You can do them in reverse, too when the count drops - especially if you're table hopping. "Okay, I've been getting too wild. Time to take a break." and go to another table or the bathroom when the count drops.

It doesn't take a lot of though to come up with a few phrases that fit your personality and the casino you are in that will facilitate your counting cover.

Bettie

[Steephen]

Actually we have forgotten one tool BS, and i don't mean basic strategy. Act like your not paying attention and when you win a hand just leave it sitting there. whoops i didn't mean to leave an extra chip there can I take it back. the answer of course is NO. If you win its a lucky omen to bet more. LOL If you lose your a gambler chasing a loss...free cover either way.

> I had never suggested to use cover at games
> without heat,if ther's no heat then jump of
> course.
> Yes i've played with asians and seen plays
> such as splitting 10;s v 7, or double 9v8!
> At these games NO cover is needed as the
> other players jump all the time with the
> view of re-couping their loses!
> IMHO ALWAYS evaluate a casinos policy re the
> heat before assuming they will not back you
> off at the lower limits.