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    PaddyBoy
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    PaddyBoy: BJA page 8

    Don on page 8 you say a session bankroll is 30 units and ten such session bankrolls constitute the entire bankroll,so a bankroll is 300 units.Isnt this rather small if your spread is $5 to $60 then your Br is 900$ only 15 max bets.
    Also the 30 unit stop loss this means to stop after losing 150$ this is only 2.5 max bets this could happen in 2 minutes,do you mean 30 unit stop loss per table? per casino? per hour?

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: BJA page 8

    > Don on page 8 you say a session bankroll is
    > 30 units and ten such session bankrolls
    > constitute the entire bankroll,so a bankroll
    > is 300 units.Isnt this rather small if your
    > spread is $5 to $60 then your Br is 900$
    > only 15 max bets.

    I also clearly say that "12 to 15 would be even better." You have to understand that the article was written in the days when early surrender was offered in A.C. The edge with those rules and the back-counting style I describe made it such that 300 units of bank was sufficient for that style of play. You are correct to assume that, today, somewhat more would be better.

    Note that with 4.5/6, s17, das, ls, back-counting, 1-12 optimal spread, 300 units of bank yields an 8.2% ROR for the RPC that I use. Personally, I can live with that with no problem.

    > Also the 30 unit stop loss this means to
    > stop after losing 150$ this is only 2.5 max
    > bets this could happen in 2 minutes,do you
    > mean 30 unit stop loss per table? per
    > casino? per hour?

    Per hour. Which, for me, also means per casino. You will lose that amount, on average, about once every ten sessions. Is there a problem with that??

    Don

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    PaddyBoy
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    PaddyBoy: Re: BJA page 8

    > I also clearly say that "12 to 15 would
    > be even better." You have to understand
    > that the article was written in the days
    > when early surrender was offered in A.C. The
    > edge with those rules and the back-counting
    > style I describe made it such that 300 units
    > of bank was sufficient for that style of
    > play. You are correct to assume that, today,
    > somewhat more would be better.

    > Note that with 4.5/6, s17, das, ls,
    > back-counting, 1-12 optimal spread, 300
    > units of bank yields an 8.2% ROR for the RPC
    > that I use. Personally, I can live with that
    > with no problem.

    > Per hour. Which, for me, also means per
    > casino. You will lose that amount, on
    > average, about once every ten sessions. Is
    > there a problem with that??

    > Don

    A loss of $150 can happen quite easily,I usually stay an hour no matter how much i am losing,if i win a lot pretty quickly, i usually leave.
    Is the 30 unit stop loss more for cover purposes.
    The other night i lost about 40 units in one shoe but then stayed a bit more but the counts just hovered around zero so i was mostly min betting then i left when the hour was up,is this
    a bit risky in terms of cover?
    Also the casinos around my area are very small so backcounting is not really viable,although sitting out hands is ok and spreading to multiple spots is allowed so i have a 600 unit BR is this enough?I spread 1 to 12

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: BJA page 8

    > A loss of $150 can happen quite easily,

    Again, it happens 10% of the time. The math is the math. "Quite easily" isn't quantifiable!

    > I usually stay an hour no matter how much i am
    > losing, if i win a lot pretty quickly, i
    > usually leave.

    Your prerogative. Most people don't lose unspeakable amounts unless they're extremely well capitalized -- like most intelligent card counters are.

    > Is the 30 unit stop loss more for cover
    > purposes.

    Yes.

    > The other night i lost about 40 units in one
    > shoe but then stayed a bit more but the
    > counts just hovered around zero so i was
    > mostly min betting then i left when the hour
    > was up,is this
    > a bit risky in terms of cover?

    When you lose 40 units, it's rarely one at a time, so chances are you had some pretty hefty bets out, and you lost most of them. To now stay and revert to min bets looks bad in my opinion.

    > Also the casinos around my area are very
    > small so backcounting is not really
    > viable,although sitting out hands is ok and
    > spreading to multiple spots is allowed so i
    > have a 600 unit BR is this enough?I spread 1
    > to 12

    I would need to know the precise rules to answer that, and I would need to know what "ok" means to you (acceptable ROR).

    Don

  5. #5
    PaddyBoy
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    PaddyBoy: Re: BJA page 8

    > When you lose 40 units, it's rarely one at a
    > time, so chances are you had some pretty
    > hefty bets out, and you lost most of them.
    > To now stay and revert to min bets looks bad
    > in my opinion.

    > I would need to know the precise rules to
    > answer that, and I would need to know what
    > "ok" means to you (acceptable
    > ROR).

    The games i play are 4 deck,D9,DAS,ENHC,ES10,one is S17 the other is H17.
    I think the S17 games is about .31% HE the H17 is about .52% HE,not great but the ES10 rule is nice.
    I am going to try to sit out or leave the table at TC -3,wonging in is not viable.My spread is 5 to 60 head to head.
    TC 0 5$,TC +1 15$,TC +2 30$,TC +3 45$,TC +4 60$,
    when there are other players at the table i go to 2 spots which each are .75 of the bet for that count.
    I would need an ROR of 10%

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