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  1. #1
    PB
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    PB: player advantage

    If you play at a BJ game of HE .5% and a promotion is offered where 20% of whatever you lose on a certain night is given back to you.
    Does this mean the HE is now .4% or have you an actual edge over the casino as you keep all you win?


  2. #2
    Shark
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    Shark: Re: player advantage

    You have an edge over the house as long as you keep your sessions short. Big spread increases the value of the rebate.Shark

    > If you play at a BJ game of HE .5% and a
    > promotion is offered where 20% of whatever
    > you lose on a certain night is given back to
    > you.
    > Does this mean the HE is now .4% or have you
    > an actual edge over the casino as you keep
    > all you win?

  3. #3
    PB
    Guest

    PB: Re: player advantage

    > You have an edge over the house as long as
    > you keep your sessions short. Big spread
    > increases the value of the rebate.Shark

    I dont understand what you mean,how short is short,how long is long.your arguement is not statistical

  4. #4
    Shark
    Guest

    Shark: Re: player advantage


    My arguement is statistical. Optimal strategies to exploit rebate on loss are more complicated than I can explain in a post. I can refer you to web sites where you can learn about the value of rebate on loss. www.jimkilby.net has a download demo of their Casino Marketing Manager. This program can calculate for you the value of ROL for your unit, spread and session duration. From the link below you can also download a spreadsheet to calculate the value of rebate on loss. I hope those resources would make things clearer to you.
    Until you study these websites allow me to reassure you that for sessions shorter than 100 hands a flat bettor BS player has the edge with 20%ROL.Shark



  5. #5
    Norm Wattenberger
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    Norm Wattenberger: Re: player advantage

    You need also look at any terms also. For example, Geisha Lounge has an offer this week. You can purchase $300 in chips each day. If you lose the entire $300, you get $100 back on each such day. However, you must play the $300 four times to get the money back and you must bet the $100 five times to cash it in.

  6. #6
    PB
    Guest

    PB: Re: player advantage

    > You need also look at any terms also. For
    > example, Geisha Lounge has an offer this
    > week. You can purchase $300 in chips each
    > day. If you lose the entire $300, you get
    > $100 back on each such day. However, you
    > must play the $300 four times to get the
    > money back and you must bet the $100 five
    > times to cash it in.

    This has no terms attached,it is linked to an affiliate program,so at the end of the month if i have lost at this casino i get 20% of lost money back

  7. #7
    Norm Wattenberger
    Guest

    Norm Wattenberger: Ahh, that's quite diffferent

    Realize that this is against affiliate terms. If they suspect they can take all your money including your deposit.

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    Paddyboy
    Guest

    Paddyboy: Re: Ahh, that's quite diffferent

    > Realize that this is against affiliate
    > terms. If they suspect they can take all
    > your money including your deposit.

    I signed up under a friends affiliate program,this site also offers a monthly 25 for 25 bonus,reqs = 1500.
    So which would be better to play VP or BJ?
    Someone said that rebates on losses a better at high variance games


  9. #9
    Norm Wattenberger
    Guest

    Norm Wattenberger: You're looking for trouble

    Affiliate agreements vary. If you buy in daily, it may only be the sum of wins/losses for the entire month that counts. This is not the same as settling each day. If you actually found an affiliate program that allowed daily buy-ins and affiliate payments based on daily settlements, they still wouldn't cut a check for a month or three. By then they would audit the activity, figure out what's going on and pay the affiliate nothing. And they would be within their rights to do so. I'm not saying milking an affiliate program cannot be done. But it isn't as simple a situation as indicated by the info that you've provided us as would probably constitute fraud.

  10. #10
    PB
    Guest

    PB: Re: You're looking for trouble

    > Affiliate agreements vary. If you buy in
    > daily, it may only be the sum of wins/losses
    > for the entire month that counts. This is
    > not the same as settling each day. If you
    > actually found an affiliate program that
    > allowed daily buy-ins and affiliate payments
    > based on daily settlements, they still
    > wouldn't cut a check for a month or three.
    > By then they would audit the activity,
    > figure out what's going on and pay the
    > affiliate nothing. And they would be within
    > their rights to do so. I'm not saying
    > milking an affiliate program cannot be done.
    > But it isn't as simple a situation as
    > indicated by the info that you've provided
    > us as would probably constitute fraud.

    It goes by monthly losses.So I click on a banner on my friends website so how are they going to know that the webmaster is a friend?

  11. #11
    Norm Wattenberger
    Guest

    Norm Wattenberger: Re: You're looking for trouble

    If you only make a small amount of money each month and he has real (i.e. losing) users, you're OK. If you're just trying to reduce your losses, you're OK. But it's no where near as good a deal as standard bonuses. And if they don't make money off of him, they'll eventually drop him.

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