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Thread: Norm Wattenberger: A couple more calculators

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    Norm Wattenberger
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    Norm Wattenberger: A couple more calculators


    I've added a back-counting calculator to provide the percentage of hands played at and above each count for various systems, and an income calculator to calculate win rate given strategy, spread, rules, decks, penetration and bankroll. There are over one million possible answers provided by the income calculator. I've also changed the number of supported penetrations from three to four on all calculators. Use the link below and click on the Calculators button.

    regards,
    norm



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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: A couple more calculators

    Norm,

    The link does not work, at least not on Netscape 4.7.

    Don

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    Norm Wattenberger
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    Norm Wattenberger: Netscape

    Should be OK now for Netscape. When are you going to switch to a decent browser

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    chgobjpro
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    chgobjpro: Wonging systems?

    Is it too much to request some wonging systems added to the site?

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: Netscape

    > Should be OK now for Netscape.

    It is, thank you.

    >When are you going to switch to a decent browser

    Never have used anything but Netscape. IE doesn't excite me.

    Will have a few questions for you concerning the calculators.

    For back-counting, mention somewhere that the method for determining the true counts is truncating, rather than rounding, which would change the frequencies you're reporting. We used truncating in BJA, also.

    Great job! Super helpful.

    Don

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    Double21
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    Double21: Re: A couple more calculators

    For the life of me I can't understand what you mean with the Uston APC and "no hole card"! Please explain---many thanks. Do you mean the dealer doesn't take a hole card until after the players act? Why show this for the Uston APC?

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    Norm Wattenberger
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    Norm Wattenberger: How many people round?

    > Never have used anything but Netscape. IE
    > doesn't excite me.

    Problem with Netscape is that all web developers develop for IE and then try to get their stuff to work on Netscape second. There are usually problems since Netscape supports far fewer features and things often don't look quite right.

    > For back-counting, mention somewhere that
    > the method for determining the true counts
    > is truncating, rather than rounding, which
    > would change the frequencies you're
    > reporting. We used truncating in BJA, also.

    Ah yes. I was thinking I should run some rounding sims as the frequencies are dramatically different. But, I don't know anyone that rounds. Anyone have any thoughts on what percentage of people do?

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: How many people round?

    > Ah yes. I was thinking I should run some
    > rounding sims as the frequencies are
    > dramatically different. But, I don't know
    > anyone that rounds. Anyone have any thoughts
    > on what percentage of people do?

    It isn't the industry "standard," probably simply because Wong and I always truncated in our studies. Imming used to round, and John Gwynn used rounded TCs for our Floating Advantage study, but that's about all.

    I don't think you should bother with rounding, but you should always mention what the methodology you used was.

    Don

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    Norm Wattenberger
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    Norm Wattenberger: Re: A couple more calculators

    > For the life of me I can't understand what
    > you mean with the Uston APC and "no
    > hole card"! Please explain---many
    > thanks. Do you mean the dealer doesn't take
    > a hole card until after the players act?

    Yes, I mean UstonAPC played in ENHC games, primarily outside of the U.S.

    > Why show this for the Uston APC?

    Why not?

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    Norm Wattenberger
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    Norm Wattenberger: Yep

    > Is it too much to request some wonging
    > systems added to the site?

    I can't give everything in CVCX away Actually, it's also a bit of a pain due to Internet limitations.

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    MICHAEL
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    MICHAEL: Re: Wonging systems?

    WONGING

    WONGING is a method used by card count teams to try to disguise the fact they are counting cards. A BP big money player will circle a pit and jump into Black jack games at the end of the shoe when the count is at a strong plus count. The card count team will have members BEACH COMBERS on several blackjack tables running the count. These BEACH COMBERS will only flat bet table minimum or 2 units. When the count is favorable they will signal the BP that the deck is favorable. Only at this point the BP will jump into the game with one or two large wagers. After a few hands the BP will get up and look for another signal, he wont stay past the shuffle. There could be a BEACHCOMBER on every table in your pit.

    IDENTIFYING A WONGING TEAM:

    ? A BP jumping into Blackjack games at the end of shoes with large wagers
    ? A BP walking around with orange or purple betting erratic
    ? A BEACHCOMBER leaving right after the BP leaves
    ? A BEACHCOMBER signaling the BP to jump in
    ? Look for BP?S and BEACHCOMBERS you don?t know or out of state id?s especially New Jersey
    ? The BP taking insurance every time even when he has horrible cards
    ? In the computer it will show short playing time on all rating cards

    BEACHCOMBERS SIGNALING THE BP IN

    The BEACHCOMBER will signal the BP to come to there game. This can be done many ways. Usually it is a very subtle pre arranged signal. This could be taking a sip from a drink, scratching their head, crossing their arms, how they stack their cheques, taking their glasses off, moving a purse, or and natural looking motion that wont bring any suspicion of their play.
    The team of BEACHCOMBERS and the BP will get together prior to their play and after to analyze the night comparing supervisors and pit managers and weak dealers and there signals, but they will never make eye contact or talk while at the casino.

    mao professional cardcounting

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