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Thread: Admiralbj21: Congratulations in order

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    Admiralbj21
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    Admiralbj21: Congratulations in order

    It is with great distinction and honor in announcing that one of our members has reached the 7 figure mark in all of his AP winnings. This accomplishment took him approximately 7 ? years.

    It was very satisfying for me to have been able to accompany him during this trip putting him at this milestone. It was in a place plagued with many problems for playing at high limit BJ. Security and the changing of local currency (necessary to play the game) being at the top of this list. Adding to the headaches, there are the language and cultural barriers.

    Without further ado, give a big round of applause to Orson!!!!

    Way to go!!!

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    Shark
    Guest

    Shark: Congratulations

    on a well done job!

    It's nice to see that this goal ia achievable. It is even nicer when a friend achieve it.

    Keep pounding the bad guys. Shark

    > It is with great distinction and honor in announcing
    > that one of our members has reached the 7 figure mark
    > in all of his AP winnings. This accomplishment took
    > him approximately 7 ? years.

    > It was very satisfying for me to have been able to
    > accompany him during this trip putting him at this
    > milestone. It was in a place plagued with many
    > problems for playing at high limit BJ. Security and
    > the changing of local currency (necessary to play the
    > game) being at the top of this list. Adding to the
    > headaches, there are the language and cultural
    > barriers.

    > Without further ado, give a big round of applause to
    > Orson!!!!

    > Way to go!!!

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    Orson
    Guest

    Orson: Re: Congratulations

    Ohh, Admiral, you couldn't resist...

    There is no way I want to brag about it. Just a nice figure, although everything is relative - I play for different curencies, and am used to convert to USD at actual market rate, which cahnges every day. And that is before expenses.

    Shark, I will e-mail you very soon, havent heard from you sooo long! I think we need to talk. I am just too tired right now. It was an exausting trip and a long way home.

    Regards,
    Orson

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    cicero
    Guest

    cicero: what is it?

    i mean 7 fugure mark? is it a very good winning? for example multiply the initial bankroll by 1000? if i know i give congrats too.

    > It is with great distinction and honor in announcing
    > that one of our members has reached the 7 figure mark
    > in all of his AP winnings. This accomplishment took
    > him approximately 7 ? years.

    > It was very satisfying for me to have been able to
    > accompany him during this trip putting him at this
    > milestone. It was in a place plagued with many
    > problems for playing at high limit BJ. Security and
    > the changing of local currency (necessary to play the
    > game) being at the top of this list. Adding to the
    > headaches, there are the language and cultural
    > barriers.

    > Without further ado, give a big round of applause to
    > Orson!!!!

    > Way to go!!!

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    Orson
    Guest

    Orson: Re: what is it?

    Actually, I had no bankroll when I started. I made my initial $25k at +3% off the top game starting with table minimum bets (~3$). At this level (flatbetting 3$) you do not need much bankroll, but for the statistics we can assume my initial bankroll was 100$. Back then, in 1999 I really didn't have much more than that. Thus, it turns out I multiplied initial bankroll by 10,000.

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    Grisha
    Guest

    Grisha: Great achievement!

    I discovered card counting by the very end of 97, i.e. 2 years earlier than Orson, but I didn't make my million yet. I think that is a very good example how important dedication and strong working ethics are. Congrats!!!

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    BJTr
    Guest

    BJTr: Re: Congratulations

    I am happy for you. I made it in 2 years but at better conditions(high rebates) in 1992 and 93. A reader of mine made it in one year (June 2005 to mid 2006) with a small team and good conditions with BR of $50,000(which he made from $5,000 in one year). His team made $3 M in 2 years. Orientals do have advantages...: )

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    cicero
    Guest

    cicero: or an example....

    ...how important good rules are. your dedication and your working ethics will not help you anything if you play a +-0 off the top game without a bankroll. you need at least someone that gives you credit.
    finally i am glad to say: my dedication is first of all to travel in order to find good games or promotions. working ethics: the more easy the game the better the winnings. just do the easy works. so did orson if i understand him well, and this is ok, i do precisely the same. i play games that can play every idiot, after that i waste big parts of the money in luxury. it is a nice work for lazy people like me )

    > I discovered card counting by the very end of 97, i.e.
    > 2 years earlier than Orson, but I didn't make my
    > million yet. I think that is a very good example how
    > important dedication and strong working ethics are.
    > Congrats!!!

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    Grisha
    Guest

    Grisha: Very valid point

    You are absolutely correct that willingess to travel and constant search for unique positive opportunities are very importnat in AP profession, and both of these qualities are quite applicable to any successful card counter, Orson inclusive. But his main talent IMO lies in the area of extreme workacholism , which is rooted in greed (in good meaning of this word), passion towards taking money from casinos, natural maximalism and enjoyment from what he is doing. I am sure that if AP opportunities totally dissappear, orson would be upset not only because he has to find alternative ways to make money but also because he would be unable to enjoy that "new job" to the same extent . But coming back to my point above about Orson - this is a differentiating factor between making living from advantage play and getting wealthy from that (I am sure you captured the difference).

    > ...how important good rules are. your dedication and
    > your working ethics will not help you anything if you
    > play a +-0 off the top game without a bankroll. you
    > need at least someone that gives you credit.
    > finally i am glad to say: my dedication is first of
    > all to travel in order to find good games or
    > promotions. working ethics: the more easy the game the
    > better the winnings. just do the easy works. so did
    > orson if i understand him well, and this is ok, i do
    > precisely the same. i play games that can play every
    > idiot, after that i waste big parts of the money in
    > luxury. it is a nice work for lazy people like me )

  10. #10
    cicero
    Guest

    cicero: indeed...

    ...wokaholics do better. and special congrats to Orson because you made a million beginning from zero. congrats because of what you have done and congrats to your present bankroll!
    in my case: i began in 1998 with 300k. i am having about 700k now. just a growth of 10% per year. my winnings are not bad, i constantly win about 150k per year (after travel costs), but i spend a lot of money in luxury when i am not working . maybe i should be more greedy .
    i just discovered one more game that is more than 3% off the top at the small bets: 6D, ENHC, NDAS, RSA4, ES, S17, D2.
    Interesting point: no use of 50 cent chips, surrenders and BJs are rounded in favour of the player. Min 2$, max 100$ (or 4$-200$).
    Ironical: flat bets of 3$ have a better win rate (absolutely, not just relatively) than 100$ flat bets. A new occasion for beginning countres without bankroll! Not very interesting for me, because i have a bankroll.

    > You are absolutely correct that willingess to travel
    > and constant search for unique positive opportunities
    > are very importnat in AP profession, and both of these
    > qualities are quite applicable to any successful card
    > counter, Orson inclusive. But his main talent IMO lies
    > in the area of extreme workacholism , which is
    > rooted in greed (in good meaning of this word),
    > passion towards taking money from casinos, natural
    > maximalism and enjoyment from what he is doing. I am
    > sure that if AP opportunities totally dissappear,
    > orson would be upset not only because he has to find
    > alternative ways to make money but also because he
    > would be unable to enjoy that "new job" to
    > the same extent . But coming back to my point above
    > about Orson - this is a differentiating factor between
    > making living from advantage play and getting wealthy
    > from that (I am sure you captured the difference).

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    Grisha
    Guest

    Grisha: Re: no worries about luxury habits ;)

    All of us have some weaknesses . As long as it is under control it won't get detrimental to your playing career.

    > ...wokaholics do better. and special congrats to Orson
    > because you made a million beginning from zero.
    > congrats because of what you have done and congrats to
    > your present bankroll!
    > in my case: i began in 1998 with 300k. i am having
    > about 700k now. just a growth of 10% per year. my
    > winnings are not bad, i constantly win about 150k per
    > year (after travel costs), but i spend a lot of money
    > in luxury when i am not working . maybe i should be
    > more greedy .
    > i just discovered one more game that is more than 3%
    > off the top at the small bets: 6D, ENHC, NDAS, RSA4,
    > ES, S17, D2.
    > Interesting point: no use of 50 cent chips, surrenders
    > and BJs are rounded in favour of the player. Min 2$,
    > max 100$ (or 4$-200$).
    > Ironical: flat bets of 3$ have a better win rate
    > (absolutely, not just relatively) than 100$ flat bets.
    > A new occasion for beginning countres without
    > bankroll! Not very interesting for me, because i have
    > a bankroll.

  12. #12
    Don Schlesinger
    Guest

    Don Schlesinger: Correction

    > i just discovered one more game that is more than 3%
    > off the top at the small bets: 6D, ENHC, NDAS, RSA4,
    > ES, S17, D2.

    Er, make that 0.3%! :-)

    Don

  13. #13
    Grisha
    Guest

    Grisha: I think s/he factored rounding in player's favor for surrender/bj

    With no $0.5 chips one can bet 3 bucks and get 2$ for surrender and 5$ for bj.

    > i just discovered one more game that is more than 3%
    > Er, make that 0.3%! :-)

    > Don

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