KPlayer: EV of such game? Thanks for advices.

[KPlayer]

Pontoon
1. Same cards with BJ.
2. Dealer takes all pushes.
3. Full ES.
4. Pontoon(=BJ) paid 2 to 1.
5. Splitted Pontoon paid 2 to 1.
6. Unlimited double the original bet after double.
7. Hit after double allowed.
8. RSA.
9. Double and hit resplitted Aces allowed.
10. 5 crads paid 3 to 2.
11. Splits no 5 cards bonus.
12. 777 early paid 3 to 1.
13. Both side 5 cards higher counts win.
14. S17.
15. 4D.
16. ES after splits allowed.
17. Dealer Pontoon wins over player pontoon and 5 cards.
a. EV for BS?
b. Should I double AA or split them?
c. Should I split 10s vs dealer 6?

[MGP]

http://www.bjmath.com/bin-cgi/bjmath...ames;read=6611

[MGP]

 

Hard	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	1 

2, 3	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H 

2, 4	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H 

2, 5	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H 

3, 4	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H 

2, 6	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H 

3, 5	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H 

2, 7	H	H	H	D	D	H	H	H	H	H 

3, 6	H	H	H	D	D	H	H	H	H	H 

4, 5	H	H	H	D	D	H	H	H	H	H 

2, 8	D	D	D	D	D	D	H	H	H	H 

3, 7	D	D	D	D	D	D	D	H	H	H 

4, 6	D	D	D	D	D	D	D	H	H	H 

2, 9	D	D	D	D	D	D	D	H	H	H 

3, 8	D	D	D	D	D	D	D	H	H	H 

4, 7	D	D	D	D	D	D	D	H	H	H 

5, 6	D	D	D	D	D	D	D	H	H	H 

2, 10	S	S	S	S	S	H	H	H	H	R 

3, 9	S	S	S	S	S	H	H	H	H	R 

4, 8	S	S	S	S	S	H	H	H	H	R 

5, 7	S	S	S	S	S	H	H	H	H	R 

3, 10	S	S	S	S	S	H	H	H	R	R 

4, 9	S	S	S	S	S	H	H	H	R	R 

5, 8	S	S	S	S	S	H	H	H	R	R 

6, 7	S	S	S	S	S	H	H	H	R	R 

4, 10	S	S	S	S	S	H	H	H	R	R 

5, 9	S	S	S	S	S	H	H	H	R	R 

6, 8	S	S	S	S	S	H	H	H	R	R 

5, 10	S	S	S	S	S	H	H	R	R, S	R 

6, 9	S	S	S	S	S	H	H	R	R, S	R 

7, 8	S	S	S	S	S	H	H	R	R, S	R 

6, 10	S	S	S	S	S	H	R	R, S	R, S	R 

7, 9	S	S	S	S	S	H	R	R, S	R, S	R 

7, 10	S	S	S	S	S	S	R, S	R, S	R, S	R 

8, 9	S	S	S	S	S	S	R, S	R, S	R, S	R 

8, 10	S	S	S	S	S	S	S	S	S	R, S 

9, 10	S	S	S	S	S	S	S	S	S	S 

										 

Optimal Play										 

Soft	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	1 

A, 2	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H 

A, 3	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H 

A, 4	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H 

A, 5	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H 

A, 6	H	H	H	H	D	H	H	H	H	H 

A, 7	H	H	D	D	D, S	S	H	H	H	H 

A, 8	S	S	S	S	S	S	S	S	S	S 

A, 9	S	S	S	S	S	S	S	S	S	S 

A, 10	S	S	S	S	S	S	S	S	S	S 

										 

Optimal Play										 

Pairs	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	1 

A, A	P, H	P, H	P, H	P, H	P, H	P, H	P, H	P, H	P, H	P, H 

2, 2	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H 

3, 3	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H 

4, 4	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H	H 

5, 5	D	D	D	D	D	D	D	H	H	H 

6, 6	S	P, S	P, S	P, S	P, S	H	H	H	H	R 

7, 7	H	P, S	P, S	P, S	P, S	H	H	H	H	H 

8, 8	P, S	P, S	P, S	P, S	P, S	P, H	P, R	R, S	R, S	R 

9, 9	P, S	P, S	P, S	P, S	P, S	S	P, S	S	S	R, S 

10, 10	S	S	S	S	P, S	S	S	S	S	S 

[MGP]

Hi,

Any idea why my post was being rejected for "naughty" language?

Thanks,
MGP

[MGP]

Ok, so I tried to get a better fix on the rules of Pontoon and one that keeps coming up that you didn't mention is that players must hit on totals <15. The Wizard however has some hands doubling on those totals so I assume that would be allowed. My CA can handle that too, but the one that's really really troubling from CA perspective that I don't have time to deal with is how the ranking of hands is dealt with.

It may not be hard to force the dealer to stop at 5 cards, but it'll be a real pain to make a dealer 5 card hand beat any player hand of 4 cards or less or a 5 card hand with an equal or lesser total.

That has to be where all the EV problem is so I would just go with the Wizard's strategy.

Sorry it's not much help and you may want to send him an Ask the Wizard question about it given that your rules differ a bit from the ones he looked at. I left the strategy up anyway as it's so unusual compared to most other BJ games even if it might be completely wrong

This is bothering me enough that I might do it anyway but I'm not looking forward to it and so probably won't.

Sincerely,
MGP

Here are the sites with a bunch of conflicting rules, none offer ES so if your's does it probably has a positive EV assuming that the listed EV's are correct:

htp://wizardofodds.com/pontoon
htp://www.littlewoodscasino.com/help/pontoon.html
htp://www.vipcasino.com/help/rules/sp_pontoon.shtml
htp://www.bodog.com/casino/guide/blackjack-pontoon.jsp
htp://www.carsands.com/game_previews/game_previews_card_games.asp?gId=66&tocId=2&id=881035&vid=g0k3k2r0e2h5a6k6j6i6t8v4&pc=5
htp://www.williamhillcasino.com/rules_pontoon_single.htm

Note that I had to use htp instead of the full ht tp since it was triggering that naughty language error again...

[Parker]

> Hi,

> Any idea why my post was being rejected for
> "naughty" language?

> Thanks,
> MGP

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[MGP]