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Thread: Mr.Pro: Early Surrender

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    Mr.Pro
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    Mr.Pro: Early Surrender

    Hi there,

    I know the early surrender option is a highly favourable rule offering + 0.6 % to the basic strategy player. Some of the casinos I have visited in Europe where I play offer early surrender against dealer 10 only (ENHC also applies) but not against the Ace, although you may still insure.

    What is the positive expectation of this rule?
    Many thanks for any info you have.

    Regards,

    Mr Pro

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    gary kraske
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    gary kraske: Re: Early Surrender

    > Hi there,

    > I know the early surrender option is a
    > highly favourable rule offering + 0.6 % to
    > the basic strategy player. Some of the
    > casinos I have visited in Europe where I
    > play offer early surrender against dealer 10
    > only (ENHC also applies) but not against the
    > Ace, although you may still insure.

    > What is the positive expectation of this
    > rule?
    > Many thanks for any info you have.

    > Regards,

    > Mr Pro

    Noted your post, would like to know which European casinos you have visited offer this early surrender option. Thanks

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: Early Surrender

    Of the 0.62% that ES is worth to the BS player (it's worth a lot more to a counter), 0.39% comes from the dealer's ace upcard, while 0.23% comes from the ten up.

    Don

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    Mr. Pro
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    Mr. Pro: Re: Early Surrender

    > Noted your post, would like to know which
    > European casinos you have visited offer this
    > early surrender option. Thanks

    Hi there,

    All the casinos I've been to in Belgium so far offer this rule.

    Regards,

    Mr. Pro

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    Mr.Pro
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    Mr.Pro: Re: Early Surrender

    > Of the 0.62% that ES is worth to the BS
    > player (it's worth a lot more to a counter),
    > 0.39% comes from the dealer's ace upcard,
    > while 0.23% comes from the ten up.

    > Don

    Hi Don,

    Another rule I've come accross recently is if a player splits 10's and gets an Ace it's Blackjack not 21.

    Obviously this has no eefect for a basic strategy player as he should't split 10's but what about the card counter. is there anyway of measuring the advantage this rule provides?

    many thanks

    Mr Pro

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: Early Surrender

    > Obviously this has no eefect for a basic
    > strategy player as he should't split 10's
    > but what about the card counter. is there
    > anyway of measuring the advantage this rule
    > provides?

    Sure, but it would have to be simulated. I think the indices for splitting drop to around around +1 or +2 vs. 5 and 6 (I may be wrong), but it still wouldn't be basic strategy to split.

    See Wong's "Basic BJ," p. 63.

    Don

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