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    Martingale System - Should I try it?

    Should I try it on roulette? Some of you may not be familiar with it, so here's what it is. You start with a bet (we'll say $1) If you win, great, stay betting $1. If you lose, you bet $2, and if you win that, you end up winning $1. If you lose that bet, you bet $4, then $8, then $16, and so on until you win. The only problem is, if you do end up losing enough times in a row, you'll go bust. Therefore, if I bet $5 a hand and have a BR of $300, the chances I go bust is around 3%. What do you guys think? I was planning on playing roulette and betting black every time. (or could i alternate it without changing the probability?)

    I tried it last night on blackjack, but I didn't know the count was extremely negative and ended up losing all my money losing 5 hands in a row. That's why roulette would be better.

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    In a word...NO. You should NOT use it. Also, roulette has a fixed set of odds that don't change. Every spin of the wheel is an independent event, so what happened in the past has no bearing on the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewkadar View Post
    I did...and what jumped out at me was:
    "The conclusion is that players using martingale strategy pose no threat to a casino. The odds are high that the player will go bust before he is even able to double his money."
    To each his own..I'll stick to the AP methods that have a sound mathematical basis. Good luck whatever you decide.
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    I don't think you are going to get much support for using the martingale betting system here. You are right that it works most of the time. The problem is when it doesn't work, it wipes you out. With $300 br betting $5 a spin, 5 consecutive losses would cost you $155 and you wouldn't have enough to continue. I think that would be much higher than 3%. I usually don't play anything but bj but I had to play rated recently so I played a little craps and roulette to make it look like I was a gambler. The short time I was at roulette black came up 7 straight times out of probably 20 spins. I am not very knowledgable about roulette but I would say that it happens often.
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    Absolutely. At 150 spins, it says, the chances I bust are 70%. Therefore, If I leave at say, 60 spins, I should be fine, right? That's only around a 28% RoR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewkadar View Post
    Should I try it on roulette? Some of you may not be familiar with it, so here's what it is. You start with a bet (we'll say $1) If you win, great, stay betting $1. If you lose, you bet $2, and if you win that, you end up winning $1. If you lose that bet, you bet $4, then $8, then $16, and so on until you win. The only problem is, if you do end up losing enough times in a row, you'll go bust. Therefore, if I bet $5 a hand and have a BR of $300, the chances I go bust is around 3%. What do you guys think? I was planning on playing roulette and betting black every time. (or could i alternate it without changing the probability?)

    I tried it last night on blackjack, but I didn't know the count was extremely negative and ended up losing all my money losing 5 hands in a row. That's why roulette would be better.

    Thanks for your responses all
    You never learn do you? Basically you're risking your entire $300 bankroll to try to win $1! Could anything be more stupid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewkadar View Post
    Should I try it on roulette? Some of you may not be familiar with it, so here's what it is. You start with a bet (we'll say $1) If you win, great, stay betting $1. If you lose, you bet $2, and if you win that, you end up winning $1. If you lose that bet, you bet $4, then $8, then $16, and so on until you win. The only problem is, if you do end up losing enough times in a row, you'll go bust. Therefore, if I bet $5 a hand and have a BR of $300, the chances I go bust is around 3%. What do you guys think? I was planning on playing roulette and betting black every time. (or could i alternate it without changing the probability?)

    I tried it last night on blackjack, but I didn't know the count was extremely negative and ended up losing all my money losing 5 hands in a row. That's why roulette would be better.

    Thanks for your responses all
    It is a very bad idea to use the Martingale System in Blackjack in any way. This also include using the Martingale with a count system. Simulation has done to prove using Martingale system in blackjack will ruin your advantage even using it when the count indicates that you have an advantage. Here is the study done on this:

    http://www.blackjacktheforum.com/ent...ngale-as-Cover
    Last edited by seriousplayer; 05-29-2013 at 01:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DM21 View Post
    The short time I was at roulette black came up 7 straight times out of probably 20 spins. I am not very knowledable about roulette but I would say that it happens often.
    Wait, but if he switched from red to black to red to black, and so on, with each bet, then surely he could avoid these strings of a single color

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    I know martingale sounds like the path to easy money and yes it is tempting because it works most of the time. However, casinos don't ban anyone who uses it. Keep that in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitthat16 View Post
    I know martingale sounds like the path to easy money and yes it is tempting because it works most of the time. However, casinos don't ban anyone who uses it. Keep that in mind.
    Actually some will because they're run by morons.

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    No! Just say no to martingales. All that use it bemoan it in the long run. The may get so far ahed it seems like they could never lose it back but eventually in a very short time they do. If you are ahead using quit now and be one of the few that gets out ahead of the game.

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    The sticky at the top of this forum topic should make it clear where most posters at this site stand on this topic.

    http://blackjacktheforum.com/showthr...ession-systems

    Why is it that everytime someone stumbles on this, they think it is something new and unfamiliar?

    For me, this is the bottom line on Martingales:
    Quote Originally Posted by 21gunsalute View Post
    Basically you're risking your entire $300 bankroll to try to win $1! Could anything be more stupid?
    Last edited by Finrod; 05-29-2013 at 05:23 PM.

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