Multiple hands

[bjarg]

Quick question.
my bet ramp is as follows:

+1 2 x $400
+2 2 x $800
+3. 2 x $1200
+4. 2 x $1600

If im playing at a table where the mx is only 200, how should I spread and how many seats should i play get as close as i can to my original ramp. I can spread from 1 hand to 7 with no problems.
thanks.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

Bet 7 hands at minimum when the count tanks.

Bet 3 or 4 hands randomly at neutral count.

Bet 2 hands with small advantages

Bet 1 hand with significant advantages.

p.s. Where the hell do you play where there are 7 seats ?

[bjarg]

Bet 7 hands at minimum when the count tanks.

Bet 3 or 4 hands randomly at neutral count.

Bet 2 hands with small advantages

Bet 1 hand with significant advantages.

p.s. Where the hell do you play where there are 7 seats ?

I think im missing something... Wouldnt it be the other way around?

SA

[ZenMaster_Flash]

"Consolidation Betting" via "Card Eating"

[Rudy]

Bet 1 hand with significant advantages.

p.s. Where the hell do you play where there are 7 seats ?[/QUOTE]

What about 2 hands with significant advantages? Moreover, in my country you can play 7 hands at any store, the problem is that they are never empty

[HowMany]

p.s. Where the hell do you play where there are 7 seats ?

Ohio?

All the blackjack tables at Hollywood Columbus are 7 seats. Possible exception in the high limit pit.

[RS]

By playing multiple hands (when you have the advantage) dilutes the cards and is worse for you. The only time you'd play multiple hands in a +EV count is when there are other players at the table. But if you're heads up, you're hurting yourself by playing multiple hands. (There might be an exception at sky-rocket counts and/or last hands of the shoe, though, but don't quote me on that.)

[Most Interesting Man]

Multiple hands for when:
* You want to exceed table max
* Play past the cut card at the end of a shoe
* Increase your bet without a similar increase in variance
* Eat cards

[tawny]

It sounds to me like you are not in U.S. With no heat and just want to get as much money on table as possible being constrained by table limits even though your bank can afford at least about 2k max. I have thought about this issue before too because at casinos near me at a few of them i think it might be hard to spread past $100 bet since they are small and call out checks play. So i thought about maybe playing 3 or 4 hands at $90. I have not had to deal with it yet because i have such a small bank but i wondered how i could bet in future if i wanted to play at some small casinos locally.

There is no way obviously you can get out close to same amount as with your other ramp but on high counts wouldn't you be getting the most money out by going to 3 hands of $200 regardless of people at table. Usually in the discussions of whether or not to play multiple hands risk of ruin is considered so you play about 75% on two hands and about 60% on 3 hands. But you have absolutely no risk to consider since you normally play 2 x $1600. So it seems like at least 3 x $200 would be best. I am wondering if even 7 x $200 would not be the best? Obviously that is aggressive but you said there is no heat. And if you want to try to come close to other ramp cant you max out much sooner since risk isnt much of a problem? Maybe max at TC of 2 or 3 instead of 4 or 5 if that is where you normally maxed out at.

I am interested to see a sim to see how you can get closest to that winrate without bigger risk with table limit. It seems obvious you cant come close but it would be interesting to see what closest would be.

[bjarg]

Thank you for all the answers.
Ill try rephrasing my question.

We know if we spread from 1 hand to 2 in order to maintain the same ror our bet should be aprox 75% of the original 1 spot bet. 60% if we spread to 3 hands. Does anybody know what the percentages are for 4, 5, 6 and 7 hands?

Thanks!

[TheHypnoToad]

Multiple hands for when:
* You want to exceed table max
* Play past the cut card at the end of a shoe
* Increase your bet without a similar increase in variance
* Eat cards

Good list.

+ keep your total bet size the same (or similar) when the true count changes so your changes are more subtle.

There are other reasons for non-CCing games but probably for another thread...

[bjarg]

A rough estimate for multiple hand bet size is 1.5 times the single spot bet divided by the number of spots played. Beyond 3 hands you get diminishing returns.

Excellent! Thats what I needed to know thank you so much.