Need a bit of advice

[Grant2600]

Hey, I just need a bit of advice on heat. I think I'm triggered a bit of heat at one of my local shops, as far as I know I've never had any heat before but this time I think I may have provoked some and I'm not sure what to expect or how to proceed next time I visit.

I was on a low stakes table and was wonging in and out trying to avoid all bad counts as much as I could, my main bankroll wasn't with me as I didn't expect to be going there that day, I was just with a load of friends who were all just having a flutter which I did use as cover. However I think I may have made a few obvious wongs as I got a few looks from the dealer, the pit boss didn't seem to be acting any differently though. This could just be paranoia but the casino was quite empty at the time. I didn't have any problems cashing out and leaving. I'm not sure whether I should return on the same shift with a small amount of cash and flutter it away on a low stakes table, flat betting and making bad basic strategy mistakes to try to remove any suspicion that I may have caused, or to just lay low for a bit and visit other places.

Thanks guys.

[blackjackomaha]

IMO, it's more paranoia than anything else. If you're worried, you could always try a different shift. Don't throw away EV with flat betting or playing mistakes.

[Grant2600]

IMO, it's more paranoia than anything else. If you're worried, you could always try a different shift. Don't throw away EV with flat betting or playing mistakes.

Thanks man appreciate it.

[D.A.]

I generally wouldn't worry about nasty looks from dealers. They could have a player tipping and worry about you "ruining the flow", they might have had a fight with their girlfriend, or they might be hungry and upset that their relief is late. It could really be anything. Worry first about floor people and surveillance. Unless you've specifically heard a dealer ratting players out to the floor or they are the type that think they run the show and you are privileged to play at their table, I wouldn't worry too much.

[Grant2600]

Ok thanks guys. The only other thing was that the look was more of a smirk as I was forced to say that I'm sitting out this hand because they directly asked me if I was in and the count was bad. Although after this I decided to go in on a bad count for a hand or two and sacrifice a bit of ev just as cover, but only with the minimum bet.

[njrich]

or they might be hungry and upset that their relief is late.

I knew a dealer "Big Mike" we called him he would eat a full meal every break.
When I saw he was my relief dealer i knew he was going to be late.
I stopped getting mad because he would crack me up when he tapped me out.
He would always say things like "sorry i was eating a ham sandwich" or "i didn't get enough to eat last break".
Sad that he ate himself to death.
Heart attack on a fishing boat.

[JohnnyUtah]

I recently had a fellow player tell the dealer flat out that he was counting. The dealer said "That's not something you should say to a dealer" but afterwards nothing happened. He later cussed out a dealer and left the table. He was back the very next week at the very same pit playing again. This is a big casino owned/operated by one of the largest conglomerates, not just some hole-in-the-wall. Some places handle things differently.

[WRX]

You rarely have to be concerned with a dealer's opinion that you might be counting. With few exceptions, it's simply not the dealers' job to evaluate players at their tables. If dealers do say anything, the reaction of supervisors is likely to be that they're out of line, stepping on others' toes. So they quickly learn to keep their mouths shut. The usual attitude of management toward dealers is, "Dummy up and deal," "We're not paying you to think," or in the case of crap dealers, "Head down and ass up."

[Baberuth]

The dealer didn't know you were counting, but he did know you might be because you were wonging by passing while still at the table which bothered him. This type of wonging will bring heat. Review your play and cover at your local store including what they have for wins and losses. (Hopefully you have hidden some winnings from them.) You should be able to figure this out because you have all the information from all your play there. His remark meant nothing. The pit is the guy who will make you.

[Most Interesting Man]

You have no reason for serious concern. The look you got was more likely a response to your "poor etiquette" rather than actual heat.

A little story for you. I was wonging in and out on a DD game, sometimes more than once in a pack. I was able to get away with it until the players finally had enough of me. That's when the dealer imposed NMSE on me on just that one session. No permanent repercussions as a standalone incident. Of course if I continued played that way every time, I would have a problem.

[njrich]

There is a difference between someone wonging and jumping.
Jumpers are ploppys who think they will get lucky by hitting every table for a couple hands and move on to the next.
They are very annoying to a dealer because he may have a good game going.
The players are winning,tipping and having a good time and these morons jump in and piss off the players.
Unhappy ploppys don't tip.