Results at Yaamava and Morongo?

[APTim]

Curious to hear your results at these California casinos. I have played quite a bit there and something is starting to feel a bit sketchy. I don't know if it's my high mistrust of Indian casinos creating a bias because my sample isn't exactly huge there, but the lack of heat at these places combined with the negative results is starting to make me think they're up to something. I've talked to other APs and they seem to always lose there too.

Would be good to hear about anyone's results there over a decent sample size. When a casino doesn't sweat me and lets me play and I get my teeth knocked in, I start to really get paranoid.

Thanks

[Power]

Trust no one. Especially when it come to money. I myself do not trust shuffle machines. I try to play hand shuffle as much as possible.

Just my 2 cents. It's probably just variance and bad rules etc. Or player errors. We all make mistakes etc.
Yet I'll admit I seem to do better in Vegas or reno then Indian casinos. Only bad thing is that's all we have in Cali. Some Indian casinos are better then others. Remember Deck pen is #1.

[Mr. E]

I haven't played yamavaa but I have played morongo recently. At morongo I was getting some looks but nothing major. I did just loose quite a bit my last visit though. I was playing dbl deck and most dealers would deal more than a deck but one dealer would consistently deal less than a full deck.

I will say, I did like the dbl deck offerings at Pala much better compared to morongo. I played Pala one weekend and came home a few hundred up but when I returned like 2 weeks later I was backed off in 17 minutes (my first and only back off so far).

I think Pala and pechanga offer better games than yamavaa or morongo but unfortunately I won't try to return to either of those for another month or so, to see if I might be allowed to play again.

[G Man]

What is your spread on DD games ?

[moo321]

Results of a game with a ~1% advantage are a pretty crude metric to determine if you're getting cheated. Especially when you don't know if the people you're asking are actually playing a winning game. They could be incapable of keeping the count, making strategy mistakes, overuse cover, not spread their bets enough, etc.


APs should be familiar with common cheating techniques. This includes things like marking cards, dealing seconds, shorting the shoe, etc. If you're being cheated, there's a good chance you will have some concrete suspicions based on things like looking at the dealer's eyes, how the cards feel, count distribution is way off, etc. way before you can prove cheating from your results.


For example, if they pull 6 aces out of a 6 deck shoe, you wouldn't be able to prove cheating from your results without playing hundreds of hours. But you would definitely start to notice an abnormal count distribution, especially if the cut card is at a deck or less, since the average shoe is going to hit something like +5 true count.

[Mr. E]

25-150. Would that be considered a 1-6?

[G Man]

Yes

[Mr. E]

Yes

Thanks G
man

[Maolen]

Results of a game with a ~1% advantage are a pretty crude metric to determine if you're getting cheated. Especially when you don't know if the people you're asking are actually playing a winning game. They could be incapable of keeping the count, making strategy mistakes, overuse cover, not spread their bets enough, etc.


APs should be familiar with common cheating techniques. This includes things like marking cards, dealing seconds, shorting the shoe, etc. If you're being cheated, there's a good chance you will have some concrete suspicions based on things like looking at the dealer's eyes, how the cards feel, count distribution is way off, etc. way before you can prove cheating from your results.


For example, if they pull 6 aces out of a 6 deck shoe, you wouldn't be able to prove cheating from your results without playing hundreds of hours. But you would definitely start to notice an abnormal count distribution, especially if the cut card is at a deck or less, since the average shoe is going to hit something like +5 true count.

The importance of this cannot be overstated. I knew a few simple card tricks before blackjack, but it wasn't until learning how to count cards that I realized how much damage dealers can do to APs.

Zender's "How to Detect Casino Cheating at Blackjack" is one of the most valuable books I've read. Even simple deck manipulations like Kentucky step-up or TT8TT9 can completely erase any player's advantage from card counting.