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    Question Questions About Creating a Positive Progression That Wins a Million Dollars

    Hi again! I'm trying to create a positive progression that wins a million dollars in the long run; and this time, I'm not talking about more than $1 million. It must include the following:


    • Easy to understand
    • Requires a small bankroll
    • Starts with a minimum bet of only one unit and regards only units, not dollars
    • Requires lots of patience
    • Requires money management
    • Has the maximum stake (optional)
    • Must be made from scratch



    So, I know that no positive progression is foolproof and not even the one that I'm trying to create, so... this time I want another simple "yes-or-no" answer to my first question: Is it possible to create a positive progression that has the following above? And my second question is: If yes, how does it work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystery Who View Post
    Hi again! I'm trying to create a positive progression that wins a million dollars in the long run; and this time, I'm not talking about more than $1 million. It must include the following:


    • Easy to understand
    • Requires a small bankroll
    • Starts with a minimum bet of only one unit and regards only units, not dollars
    • Requires lots of patience
    • Requires money management
    • Has the maximum stake (optional)
    • Must be made from scratch



    So, I know that no positive progression is foolproof and not even the one that I'm trying to create, so... this time I want another simple "yes-or-no" answer to my first question: Is it possible to create a positive progression that has the following above? And my second question is: If yes, how does it work?
    My Short Answer is Yes. Not Just patience for the execution , but patience for the development. Unless you are Norm or Don and have the resources to develop a sim that is not currently available in the market. The problem is once you have the information, the Casinos will not waste a minute making rules that makes it impossible for you to execute over a long period. If you spend ten years to develop something, you don't want it dead on arrival by bragging about it until you no longer need it.

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    Progression systems do not work. Please stop.
    "I don't think outside the box; I think of what I can do with the box." - Henri Matisse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Progression systems do not work. Please stop.
    Yes I agree. Simple progression systems don't work. However, if you have a progression system that allows you to bet minimum units during you loosing runs, and allows you to increase you bets above minimum during you winning runs, you just may have something. In addition to that, you will only have to increase your progressive bet on the next occurrence of whatever your signal is. On every one of you first wins you have to be able to recover the two previous losses. After which you have to wait for the next signal. I just about gave it all away.... But I cant find a sim in the market that can do the thing I want to do. So I've been having to play CV for between 3 to 5 hours a day for as long as I can remember. The only thing to remember is that you are not increasing your bets during loosing runs. and you are decreasing you bets from your last big loss during winning runs. No system works all the time. This just happens to work a lot more often than not. I left out the details on purpose because if everybody figures out their own signals, it will be harder for the casinos to develop rules against it. Also try not to kill the goose that lays the Golding eggs, 50 to 100 dollars an hour is decent income. But don't sit around to clear $500.00 a day from 1 source you will be stopped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Daniels View Post
    Simple progression systems don't work.
    No need for the adjective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    No need for the adjective.
    I guess I expected to be beat up a lot harder. Thanks.
    I said “simple” because it appears like since card counting has been validated by the smartest people in the business, everybody just parked up their tent and went home leaving the charlatans to fill the vacuum.
    I guess what I’m trying to say is Card counting methods are not created equal, and have been validated over and over.
    However we seem to just accept that progression nonsense is all created equal. We are quick to forget that all the variables that affect card counting may also affect progression. Like ramp increase in relation to the minimum bet, maximum bet and the session bankroll.
    There is also the possibility of creating a hybrid system that grafts 2, 3, or 4 other systems.
    There are certain things we know for sure about blackjack that can be taken advantage of without breaking the bank.

    1. Blackjack is a streaky game.
    2. Close to 50% of the streaks are 2. Courtesy of CVBJ Statistics.
    3. With Basic strategy, the house edge is closer to 0.05
    4. All first wins are preceded by 1 loss or a losing streak of an indeterminate number.
    5. Same for 1st losses.
    6. Less than 1.26% of losing streaks make it past 8 Courtesy of CVBJ Statistics.

    There is a lot more that my small brain can’t comprehend because I have to do my research in real time.
    Unfortunately, this plopy has to resort to card counting when I fall behind in the real world.
    Without CVBJ, my bankroll will be at zero. I just wish there are sims out there that are set up for betting that remembers where I was before I went back to betting minimum. And allow me to decrease my bets if I win after that. The win on my big bets have to recover my two previous big bet loss.

    Date Casino Decks Rules Total Bet Won Cum. Win Notes
    ($1,201)
    3/4/2025 6 $275 $275.00 Final Strategy
    3/8/2025 6 H17,Das $224 $499.00 Final Strategy
    3/9/2025 6 H17,Das $175 $674.00 Final Strategy
    3/9/2025 6 H17,Das $220 $894.00 Final Strategy
    3/9/2025 6 H17,Das $250 $1,144.00 Final Strategy
    3/11/2025 6 H17,Das $195 $1,339.00 Final Strategy
    3/12/2025 6 H17,Das $290 $1,629.00 Final Strategy
    3/13/2025 6 H17,Das $30 $1,659.00 Final Strategy
    3/13/2025 6 H17,Das $380 $2,039.00 Final Strategy was dowm 300
    3/14/2025 2 H17,DAS $300 $2,339.00 Final. Lost 265 on house money
    3/29/2025 6 H17,DAS $210 $2,549.00 25 25 50 100
    3/15/2025 6 H17.DAS ($3,400) ($851.00) Final Strategy Failure, Suspect Need STOP LOSS
    4/2/2025 2 H17,DAS ($350) ($1,201.00) Final strategy

    Variance you said, I think it could have been corrected with the right sim.
    Sorry I Ramble. English is not my first language.
    Thanks Guys for being kind. Please, I can take the beating. Your opinion can only make me stronger.

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    Let me explain patiently and civilly. If you count cards and use any kind of betting progression that bets more when the count is good (and not whether you're winning or losing) and less when the count is bad, you'll win money. If you aren't counting cards and using just basic strategy, nothing you do with a betting strategy can overcome the house edge. So, you're welcome to try to reinvent the wheel and to fly in the face of logic and mathematics; we're simply doing our best to save you countless hours of wasted time to discover what everyone else has known for centuries, namely that no system alone for betting your money can overcome a negative player advantage.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Let me explain patiently and civilly. If you count cards and use any kind of betting progression that bets more when the count is good (and not whether you're winning or losing) and less when the count is bad, you'll win money. If you aren't counting cards and using just basic strategy, nothing you do with a betting strategy can overcome the house edge. So, you're welcome to try to reinvent the wheel and to fly in the face of logic and mathematics; we're simply doing our best to save you countless hours of wasted time to discover what everyone else has known for centuries, namely that no system alone for betting your money can overcome a negative player advantage.

    Don
    Well Said. Thanks!!

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