CVData Multi-strategy and Wonging

[DrEntropy]

How does wonging work with a multi-strategy ?
I am trying to simulate a rather simple strategy that uses the High Low running count on a six deck shoe. There are two different betting strategies, one for the first half (call it strategy1) and one for the second half (call it strategy2). Each strategy has a different betting ramp, but in both strategies, I have it to 'sit out' if RC <= -8. In the strategy1 Start Play @ Shuffle, Stop Play RC <= -8. For second, I had to change it to start play at RC >=-7 otherwise it never got started at all (I think because when it switches strategy it resets the state to not playing?) Still though I am getting different results for the %played from this (~54%) vs using a single strategy with same start stop (~64%) All else is default (not entering show multiple times, etc).

I assume I am misunderstanding something about the way multi-strategies work?

[Freightman]

RC -8 with 1 deck remaining is deadly, less so with 2 decks remand (still deadly) and even less so at 3 decks remaining (still pretty shitty). With 5 decks remanding, kinda crappy but still quite possible to achieve profitable counts.Why don’t you rethink your strategy - replacing RC with true counts - be much easier to strategize.

Finally, why on earth would you want to wong in at RC-7?

[DrEntropy]

RC -8 with 1 deck remaining is deadly, less so with 2 decks remand (still deadly) and even less so at 3 decks remaining (still pretty shitty). With 5 decks remanding, kinda crappy but still quite possible to achieve profitable counts.Why don’t you rethink your strategy - replacing RC with true counts - be much easier to strategize.

Indeed, but the specific strategy here is just an (minimal?) example of where I am seeing something I don't understand in how CVData works with multi-strategies. I am not advocating this.

Finally, why on earth would you want to wong in at RC-7?

The wong in was just for the second strategy so that it would keep playing after the strategy switch and not go into a 'waiting for shuffle' state. However I think this is not what was happening after all, so that can be disregarded.

Some further experiments suggest that the results seem to be the same no matter what I put in for the Sit out for the 'strategy2' ! Except if i put "off/off" then it will play on to deep negative counts.

[Norm]

Wonging is specified in the first strategy in a multi-strategy setup.

[DrEntropy]

Very good, thank you Norm.

I don't know if this is valuable to you, but I still seem some unexpected behavior. This could be due to my expectations, but for what it is worth:


Steps to reproduce:

Create new 6 deck sim based on 'Simple Six Deck Simulation'. Set total number of players to 2., all else default.
Keep default playing strategy (Basic High Low)
For betting create new strategy based on Flat Bet, but with Sit Out : Start Play @ Shuffle, Stop Play at TC<=-2. Call this HLWO or whatever.
Run sim and observe : Played % ~65% IBA 0.07%

Assemble multi-strategy, attach HLWO twice , so that the same strategy should still followed in the first 52 cards and in the rest..
Run sim and observe: Played % ~22.2% IBA ~0 % If you change the 'switchpoint' the %played changes as well

Create a new strategy HLWO2 which is identical to HLWO2 and rerun: Same results.
Modify HLWO2 to turn off sitting out out for strategy 2: Run sim, 93% hands played,
Modify HLWO2 to turn it back on , try various settings, always 22.2 % played


Modify HLWO to do Wong by depth, but set all same. This time we get results we expect from single strategy -2 : 65% IBA 0.05
Now even if HLWO2 is off, you get the same results as the single strategy case I think.
However, if you modify the Wong out points for decks after the switch, it has no effect.

This is probably a corner case, but it seems if you want to change both the bet ramps *and* the Sit out as a function of depth, it cannot be done, or at least I could not figure it out.

PS: I love the software, it has brought me many years of entertainment and education!

[Norm]

Ramps and Sit out are independently handled. You can send me the sim configurations. Use Tools-Export, export and email the created zip file for each configuration.

[DrEntropy]

Ok will do.

[moo321]

If you want to use a running count only, KO is better

[DrEntropy]

If you want to use a running count only, KO is better

I agree. This was just an example not intended as a proposed strategy
Cheers!