Thorp Ultimate

[southern_boy]

I started card counting with Hi-Lo then learnt Hi-Opt II ac and ended up with just Hi-Opt II but now I'm curious about Thorp Ultimate I don't think it's that hard to learn just a lot of practice but there are no sims of it on CVCX is there anywhere I can get more information on it?

[DSchles]

Forget it. Put the ASC back with Hi-Opt II and you're as good as it's going to get.

Don

[Archvaldor]

I started card counting with Hi-Lo then learnt Hi-Opt II ac and ended up with just Hi-Opt II but now I'm curious about Thorp Ultimate I don't think it's that hard to learn just a lot of practice but there are no sims of it on CVCX is there anywhere I can get more information on it?

There are no significant gains to be found over HO2 with any public count system.

[southern_boy]

dang, thanks Don.

[southern_boy]

thank you!

[Cacarulo]

There are no significant gains to be found over HO2 with any public count system.

That is correct, there is no "public" counting system that surpasses HO2/A, but there are "private" level 3 and level 4 systems that are superior.
These systems also require an ASC.

Sincerely,
Cac

[Cacarulo]

I started card counting with Hi-Lo then learnt Hi-Opt II ac and ended up with just Hi-Opt II but now I'm curious about Thorp Ultimate I don't think it's that hard to learn just a lot of practice but there are no sims of it on CVCX is there anywhere I can get more information on it?

I have run simulations using Thorp Ultimate, and they have been really disappointing. As Don said, it's really not worth it compared to what you already know.


Sincerely,
Cac

[southern_boy]

that's unfortunate it seems like a really cool system to learn

[DSchles]

You need to forget about it. The single-deck games it was intended for are nonexistent now. You're reading about something created 63 years ago. Do you really think it's "cool" to count fives as +11 and aces as -9 all the way through a shoe game?!

Don

[southern_boy]

honestly kinda I love the challenge I wanna see how far I can take it it's so complex and niche I love it

edit: but alas I will stick to Hi-Opt II I have perfected it and the ev and lower ROR it offers over Hi-Lo is very nice

[Cacarulo]

honestly kinda I love the challenge I wanna see how far I can take it it's so complex and niche I love it

edit: but alas I will stick to Hi-Opt II I have perfected it and the ev and lower ROR it offers over Hi-Lo is very nice

I don’t understand why you say "unfortunately" about sticking with Hi-Opt II. It’s not unfortunate at all. OTOH, RoR has nothing to do with the counting system you use.
I think you should read a bit about what we call SCORE, which is what we usually use to compare systems. BJA3 is where you should start.

Sincerely,
Cac

[southern_boy]

ive read about score I still don't really understand it ngl also I say unfortunately just cause it would've been cool if thorpe ultimate offered a HUGE advantage over any counting system but alas from what yall are saying it doesnt ( also CVCX says ROR improves with better counting systems??

[McSweeney]

I'm not convinced that even a perfect blackjack playing computer could have a "huge" advantage over someone using the strongest level 2 systems.