I love Hi-opt2 with ASC. I wish I could find more deviations. My question is is it worth it to go halves or another system? I'm always trying to get better yet it seems too much work for such little gain?
I know getting down all the indexes and deviations will help. yet very hard to find them.
I mostly play single and 2D. I just Hilo 6D.
Also any thoughts on counting 7's? I think that will be my next goal if not another system. If 7's would be worth it??
Ty =)
I like REKO for pitch games since it is the best level-1 system for pitch games and also very easy. I don't have to look at the discard tray and I can avoid errors related to deck estimation. I believe the longevity from using an easier system that allows you to relax and avoid staring at the cards is worth it. Being aware of heat is mentally demanding, and my main focus on pitch games is to be able to keep playing them.
I've attached two files, produced by Steven Markowitz's bj-strat index generator. "HO2_2D_H17" is with DAS. The "_Asc" one is if you want to use your ace side count for playing purposes, using the old excess/deficiency method.Originally Posted by Power
I... don't think of Halves as a better system than HOII... you're kind of driving the Rolls Royce already. I suppose you could look at my system that's in my blog here on this site, the High Normal Form (it needs a better name): {1,1,1,2,2,1,1,0,0,-2}, betting Ace = -3, IRC=-4*decks. It does 5+% better than HOII, because a better tagging of the Ace for playing (+1) is already baked in. Then you can use your extra brain power for 7s.
I think I do it wrong when trying to sim 7s in CVData, so no. Sometimes I wonder if we've focused on 7s at the expense of 9s, for systems that already tag the 7 as +1. I don't know if any studies included the insurance bet in the analysis. The insurance bet is so important. In HOII, the 7s are already properly tagged for insurance, but the 9s should be +1. Or, even if 9s < 7s overall, starting out by using 9s for insurance seems like an easy win. And, the 9 can be used for betting. But I'm just spitballing.
HO2_2D_H17.txt
Last edited by First Normal Form; 02-13-2025 at 11:09 AM.
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You are my HERO!!! Thank you so much. I spent so many hours looking haha.
I will certainly give your method a try. I also kind of was putting the Ace at a -3 in a way. Not with the math. Yet in my thoughts.
If there's a small chance to get a BJ, then I'd naturally bet less instinctively. If that makes sense. My bank roll is not big so that really is another reason. Yet even if I was rich I'd feel the Ace should have just a little more value in BC.
As far as the 7's I remember reading in the forums a good post from Zenmaster_flash I believe. So thought I'd get more info.
Ty once again. =)
I believe CAC2 requires ASC to be on par with halves, which does NOT require ASC. However, add ASC and you have a nice jump in Playing Efficiency which is great.Thank you. I love a good read. Yes I've been following the CAC2 system. I didn't know it was up there with or above halves now. That's quite interesting.
Last edited by Freightman; 02-14-2025 at 02:41 AM. Reason: To repair my comment as intended
Ace side count is actually most useful for increasing the betting correlation of CAC2. But there are some key hands where it provides a nice boost to playing efficiency as well.
I would highly recommend CAC2 by the way. My profits have exploded since I started using it, after a sample size of 291 hours. It almost seems like the stated 10% improvement over Hi Lo is too much of a modest understatement ...
Hi Freigh, that’s not quite right. CAC2, a level 2 system, is on par with—if not better than—Halves, which is level 3, even WITHOUT a side count.
When you add a side count, it becomes significantly superior. You have the document, and the difference is clearly shown in CVCX.
Sincerely,
Cac
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OP, did you ever see The Karate Kid II? Miyagi is explaining Karate's two rules. First one is "Karate is for self-defense only." He then goes over to read the second rule but then stops and says "First learn rule number one."
Rule number one in BJ should be "Learn all you can about staying under the radar." Rule two is "Learn how to count." Miyagi would say to learn rule number one first.
The best count you can find is meaningless if you're making mistakes, it's clear you're counting, or your spread is too aggressive. Opt (no pun intended) for a simpler count if that's what it takes to truly be effortless (i.e. invisible) in your playing. If you're going to learn a more complicated count to increase your advantage, use that increased advantage to enhance rule number one. Use it to lower your bet spread and/or use it to confuse the pit with your playing decisions.
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