Anyone know where to get indexes/ deviations?
I have the ones from Verite games only. I can't find any anywhere looking for hours online. I'm sure the verite ones are good yet I'd love to cross reference. Thank you.
Anyone know where to get indexes/ deviations?
I have the ones from Verite games only. I can't find any anywhere looking for hours online. I'm sure the verite ones are good yet I'd love to cross reference. Thank you.
HO2 H17 DAS DD.jpg
I ran this for H17 DAS DD. I hope you're not trying to play shoe games with Hi Opt II...
The Cash Cow.
What's wrong with using Hi Opt II with ace side count for shoe games? It still beats most other systems handily. I don't get the people who say, "I use Hi Opt II for double deck games and switch to Hi Lo for shoe games" makes no sense to me. Unless these people are using Hi Opt II without ace side count purely for its playing efficiency power but I don't know why someone would use Hi Opt II without ace side count in the first place.
It's not too difficult to keep an ace side count in shoe games with some practice. See this post from me https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...l=1#post319399 for some tips on how to keep an ace side count in your head. It should be much easier to master one system with an ace side count, including in shoe games, than it is to wire your brain to use two completely different counting systems, along with two completely different sets of playing deviations!
You are also my HERO Moo! Ty.Originally Posted by moo321
Also I stay away from 6D or just go Hi-lo on it. I've had some bad variance with 6d. Yes I know it's just variance... but shessh it's crazy sometimes with 6D and betting max units etc.
If you could run another one for Single deck I'd be Forever greatful. The numbers are off very slightly from the Verite games ones. I'd assume they are single deck ones yet not sure. If anyone knows please advise. =)
I just like to be sure before I drill them into my head. Haha or do a rounding for best outcome between the two. Then remember them.
Last edited by Power; 02-13-2025 at 11:52 PM.
It's true and proven Hi-opt2 is better then Hi-lo for 6D. Yet it does get hard keeping track of aces once I get around 14 aces.
I'm sure with more practice I can. Also I'm going to read your post now. Ty I love any good read. Especially when we can advance our skills.
If you've already mastered Hi Opt II, then you should just stick with that since it has similar strength to CAC2.
But the fact you switch systems to Hi Lo for shoe games is so unnecessary to me. If you try to practice keeping a side count for shoe games with Hi Opt II and conclude it's too much for you to handle, CAC2 would be a good option because it has an OPTIONAL ace side count. You could use CAC2 with ace side count for double deck games and then drop the ace side count for shoe games. This means you could just use the same counting system and the same set of playing deviations without the pain of switching to another counting system for shoes/double deck and having to remember both.
This is what might just be the answer. I'll have to decide between the two. Anyone reading this I'd recommend CAC2 instead of Hiopt2. Unless you already are good with hiopt2. If trying to choose. Simply less mental work, works on all Deck formats. Almost just as good. CAC2-ENHANCED is what I'd choose. =)
I assume you mean there are 2 decks left in the SHOE, not the (discard) tray. But if you're giving me 2 seconds to answer because you think that's how long you have in a real game, that's not quite right. Never be afraid to hold up a table for a few seconds in order to make an important betting or playing decision.
If you're able to add up your own hand to determine a playing decision without losing the running count, you can also do some simple math for a betting decision where no cards are even on the table yet. It's not too difficult to multiply 6 x 4 = 24 in my head without losing the running count (or the side count for that matter, since it's a sound I played in my head). It is then easy to see that there is a difference of 4 between that and the 28 aces that have come out, bringing the running count to 0 and it's not advantageous to increase my bet. Admittedly, it is a bit cumbersome that you have to adjust the running count by 2 per missing or extra ace in Hi Opt II. It's easier with the counting system that I use because it only requires adjusting the running count by 1 per extra or missing ace.
Finally, there is a "Knock-Out" style of side counting aces where you start at side count 32 and reduce the number as aces come out, eliminating the need to know how many expected aces there should be. I personally don't like this method as much but others might find it easier.
Last edited by McSweeney; 02-17-2025 at 04:21 PM. Reason: Accidentally said 28 instead of 32 for the starting side count
I don't disagree, necessarily. But holding up a table to make betting decisions is something that can make you look like you're playing a system, which can bring heat.
If you can play Hi Opt II in a shoe game without making mistakes, more power to you. I just want people to realize what they're getting into before they try it. RPC and Zen are both really good counts for shoe games that are a lot easier.
The Cash Cow.
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