cvdata new option

**C_AUREO21** · 02-11-2025, 10:24 AM

how about everyone in cvdata regardless of the rules number of decks etc...

it would be nice if there is an option to simulate from 10,000 or 20,000 rounds and analyze and see the statistics of these rounds.

in order to say for example that I have played about 20,000 rounds in a game of 8 decks.

then when simulating those 20000 rounds I could see how true are the values that I have in practice with the sim if they are within the ranges... i.e. to be able to simulate 10 different scenarios of 20000 rounds...

and graphs of 20000 rounds etc....
it would be very interesting and a great contribution in cvdata...
thanks

**Norm** · 02-11-2025, 12:28 PM

Use the Sessions option on the Nuances tab and set Session Data on the Nuances Data tab. This will divide the sim data into sessions and provide screens of session data in the Misc. tab. Not sure how valuable this is though.

You could also set Keep a Log on Nuances Data. On the results screen, you can click Tools-Results Log. This provides charts where you the sim is divided into blocks showing the ranges of the bankrolls. Chage the block length to 10000 at the bottom and it will display bars showing the bankroll range for each 10,000 rounds.

**C_AUREO21** · 02-12-2025, 09:44 AM

Ok thanks Norm for that information
and it will be possible that you can help us to make simulations from 10000 or 20000 rounds of play

the idea is to compare the results of the TC in the short term...

since I have statistics of the real game and I would like to be able to compare those results...

in cvdata only 'can from 8000000 rounds
there will be how to put it from 10000 rounds or 20000 rounds minimum would help a lot...

thanks Norm greetings

**Norm** · 02-12-2025, 10:07 AM

Simulations that short really have no meaning. There are calculators available on the results screen that can take the sim data and provide calculations based on small numbers of rounds, including the probability that your casino results are what are expected.

**C_AUREO21** · 02-12-2025, 10:30 AM

in what part of CVDATA IS THAT OPTION
maybe you can help me with an image
thanks....

**Norm** · 02-12-2025, 11:57 AM

Click the RoR button in the results:

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**C_AUREO21** · 02-12-2025, 05:26 PM

ok Thanks Norm for the help, maybe you could recommend me some software to simulate rounds from 10000 etc.

it's because I want to do some analysis

thank you

**Norm** · 02-12-2025, 05:38 PM

CVData will allow you to log the first 10000 or so rounds and export them to a file or Excel. But I don't see the point.

**C_AUREO21** · 02-13-2025, 10:29 AM

Thanks Norm that's very good, the point of that is that I am interested in analyzing online blackjack games....

and I found one that I thought was interesting in an online casino.
since as we already know
8 decks
4/8 decks played
but unlike many others it is a game that offers a speed... 120 rounds per hour and has a surrender rule.

and so far I have just over 21000 rounds of play (which I guess an 8 deck game 21000 rounds is the short term)

and there are things that have caught my attention about it.
Like for example the number of blackjacks in TC >=3.5 SO FAR ARE AT 4.09% should q be more... or is it due to the short term?

Finally how many rounds of play are needed in this type of game to have a little more reliable statistics?

Thanks for your help Norm
and your products are excellent
Regards

**Norm** · 02-13-2025, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by C_AUREO21

Finally how many rounds of play are needed in this type of game to have a little more reliable statistics?

Depends on what you mean by reliable and what stats you're interested in. In sims, some can take 20 billion. For most, 2 billion is OK. But using a long sim, the calculators can tell you the probability that your 21,000 round results are better or worse than expected.

**C_AUREO21** · 02-14-2025, 09:42 AM

If I understand Norm, let me explain
let's say I'm playing an online blackjack game... in it I'm collecting data from each hand as follows...
1.0 TC 1.0; 1.5;2.0;2.5;3;3.5
That is to say I collect the result based on each TC FROM 0 to 3.5 the maximum TC.

in each
the result is collected
if the round was won, lost, tied, took the surrender option, or got BLACKJACK.

so based on that I have collected about 21000 rounds in total.

that's why I was asking if the previously mentioned stats are too few to have data closer to sim's data.
and how many rounds will be needed? 100000 rounds etc...

for example
for TC <=0 I HAVE SO FAR 15748 ROUNDS the TBA I HAVE SO FAR -0.837% WHICH IS CLOSE TO SIM'S

**C_AUREO21** · 02-14-2025, 09:47 AM

Ok and how do I make those calculations based on my results of my 21000 rounds... with cvdata to weight from what I understand....

**Norm** · 02-14-2025, 10:06 AM

If you are trying to determine your actual edge, 500 million is the least and I advise substantially more. If you are trying to look at actual casino results from a trip to see how far you were from the expected results and the the percentage of times that you should expect at least that result and where you stand against the standard normal curve, that doesn't take many rounds. It's just not meaningful with a small number of rounds.