Are there any books I can read on hole carding or threads here that I could read?
I want to look into hole carding because I am curious about how it works and the strategy it requires. Any information would be great!
There is a strategy here: https://wizardofodds.com/games/black...cards-exposed/ . You can find a surprising amount about hole-carding nowadays by just googling it. Much of the information is almost correct.Originally Posted by southern_boy
In general hole-carding is one of the most massively overhyped ap methods. You do not get that many loaders, probably a fraction of one per cent. Most players will never knowingly encounter a loader. Competition for those which exist is fierce. Mainly it gets discussed a lot because people like to fantasize about a double-digit edge without any consideration of the scouting time, variance, hands per hour, and difficulty of getting hours in when you find an opportunity. When you factor these in it isn't really that great, though it generally has much lower overall risk to your bankroll than card counting.
If you are very short and your eye-line is virtually level with the table, this might work out for you. Hole-card players tend to be extremely short. The tiniest dealer error can be exploited by someone under 5ft. Also, if you can find some angle which no one else is using, you may be able to make it work. I did ok with this for a while by finding various reflective surfaces/objects that exposed the value of hole-cards. Plays like this you can get to yourself for a while.
Oh, I know such things exist. But then there are so many other opportunities online, as you know, which yield greater edges with even lower risk.
But I accept the point, online play is generally very under-valued when it comes to this type of angle, I assumed he was interested in offline play.
Last edited by Archvaldor; 12-08-2024 at 06:19 PM.
And yet mysteriously you aren't capable of substantiating any information to the contrary...I wonder why...
Here's a link exposing the glamorous lifestyle of the hole-carder https://youtu.be/CiZ1QwbtOdI
Last edited by Archvaldor; 12-08-2024 at 06:46 PM.
Interesting that you should say that. You actually are a big part of what got me back into ap recently. I thought you had shared some pretty valuable info of your own recently. Maybe you have even bigger plays.
To be honest I haven't really noticed any one paying attention when someone does share something valuable publicly. Most AP's don't think that much outside the box. As you may remember very few people figured out how good Ted was.
Last edited by Archvaldor; 12-08-2024 at 06:43 PM.
just a guy who wants to learn more about hole carding really im just looking for literature on it and the mathematics behind it. I have several books such as Blackjack Attack, World's Greatest Blackjack Book, Professional Blackjack, but I would like to find a standalone book on hole carding.
There's a decent treatment of the basic strategy here on this site for free: https://www.qfit.com/book/ModernBlackjackPage447.htm
(Treat the 10000 SCORE claim with a massive pinch of salt though).
Norm Wattenberger for some reason clings to the notion that how to find loaders is some kind of super-secret information, even though there is a fairly comprehensive public write-up of the subject which isn't that hard to find. I'll respect his wishes and not link to it directly but you can pm me if you want a link if you haven't seen it already.
As is often the case, I have no idea where you come up with such totally absurd claims about me or other folks here. Of course I do strongly believe that one should never publicly talk about a particular dealer. And as always, I avoid suggesting that winning is easy. And my book talks about the difference between theoretic EV and actual EV.
Last edited by Norm; 12-09-2024 at 06:45 PM.
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