Edge 10 as a first card with clumping cards

[Marc]

Hello,

I’ve heard card counting wouldn’t work if the cards were clumped.
If I know I’m getting a 10 on my first spot , would any clumping cards’s shuffle could kill my edge ?
Any biais in the shuffle could reduce a lot of kill that edge ?

Thank you for the experts !!

[Archvaldor]

Hello,

I’ve heard card counting wouldn’t work if the cards were clumped.
If I know I’m getting a 10 on my first spot , would any clumping cards’s shuffle could kill my edge ?
Any biais in the shuffle could reduce a lot of kill that edge ?

Thank you for the experts !!

For all practical purposes card clumping effects don't exist. Theorists have repeatedly tried to create clumping effects and despite some stupidly unlikely gross shuffles you will never encounter in any actual casino there were no effects at all, even with contrived examples the effects were very small (tenths of a per cent) and unpredictable.
This is one of the most comprehensively dis-proven fallacies ever.

[Marc]

Well my question is theory.
Could it exist a shuffle (fair or unfair) to reduce the edge of a player catching 10 or ACE on the first spot.
This is maths and theory question.

[Secretariat]

Well my question is theory.
Could it exist a shuffle (fair or unfair) to reduce the edge of a player catching 10 or ACE on the first spot.
This is maths and theory question.

Players get to cut after the shuffle so te answer is no.

In extremely rare cases, a gifted dealer could purposely place a small card after the burn card but that would be outright cheating, In this case, the main factor would be cheating, It would not be the shuffle itself.

[Cacarulo]

Hello,

I’ve heard card counting wouldn’t work if the cards were clumped.
If I know I’m getting a 10 on my first spot , would any clumping cards’s shuffle could kill my edge ?
Any biais in the shuffle could reduce a lot of kill that edge ?

Thank you for the experts !!

I wouldn't worry too much about clumping unless it’s done intentionally and blatantly. Simply put, if I know I’m going to get a 10 on my first spot,
I already know that my advantage is 14.34%, which would allow me to increase my bet for that hand. If, instead of a 10, I know I’m going to receive an Ace,
then my advantage would be 50.79%, and the increase in my bet would be even greater.

Sincerely,
Cac

[Secretariat]

I wouldn't worry too much about clumping unless it’s done intentionally and blatantly.

Sincerely,
Cac

... and how would you respond to that Cac?

[bjarg]

Hello,

I’ve heard card counting wouldn’t work if the cards were clumped.
If I know I’m getting a 10 on my first spot , would any clumping cards’s shuffle could kill my edge ?
Any biais in the shuffle could reduce a lot of kill that edge ?

Thank you for the experts !!

Yes. And yes, this is something that's done in casinos and something you should pay attention to when playing against ASMs. You will certainly get destroyed if you count cards against a game like that.

And it is not a matter of random clumping, which exists almost 100% of the time in random shuffles, but intentional clumping.

[Norm]

No and no. This thread will likely soon be moved to the disadvantage forum.

[Freightman]

Bjarg said

Yes. And yes,

Norm said

No and no.

https://youtu.be/452XjnaHr1A?si=mfFjjfQT6j4ECDwO

https://youtube.com/shorts/rvkNy1HzU...yDfe8E_91-OCdP

[bjarg]

No and no. This thread will likely soon be moved to the disadvantage forum.

You are clueless.
Move it to wherever you want I couldnt care less.
Not only does this exist, but it is also one of the best kept secrets of few APs who know how to exploit it and make money from it.

[JeanDuran]

You are clueless.
Move it to wherever you want I couldnt care less.
Not only does this exist, but it is also one of the best kept secrets of few APs who know how to exploit it and make money from it.

Any chance you could get back to me? I got some interesting info since you seem knowledgable and willing to look at many possibilities … thanks…

[bjarg]

Any chance you could get back to me? I got some interesting info since you seem knowledgable and willing to look at many possibilities … thanks…

If you'd have interesting information you'd keep it to yourself.
Thank you but I'll pass.

[Norm]

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