I have a couple local places that I play at each weekend, and I want to increase my longevity there. Should I get a player's card or not? One is a larger place that doesn't ask me often but the smaller place asks me every time. I'm wondering if a player's card could reduce heat. I know that the concern is that they can use it to track me but they are starting to recognize me anyway and it feels like a bit of a tell when I deny the card each time. Thoughts?
If you play with a card at a place that uses OSN or other database, you are not just giving up your name at one place, but potentially several. It's also possible that a place may not use databases now, but may in the future. Never think that the way things are now will continue to be that way. Ask yourself if the decisions that you make today will likely still be viable 5-10 years from now.
Some will disagree in various ways as to player's cards. But one thing that everybody agrees on is that you should spread your action around. Card or not, you will be shown the door at some point if you play too much. Of course, the concept of "too much" varies at each casino. You don't know what your retirement day will be and you can't plan on it. So you want to extend it as much as possible by playing (ideally) all over the country. If that's not practical, then maybe multi state. If that's not possible, then maybe you just don't play as often as you would like locally.
My opinion is that you shouldn't play with a card. If they ask you to get one, just say that you don't want your wife knowing how much you are gambling and/or don't want mailers to come to the house. It's much harder to trespass you if they don't know your name and address.
If you are just counting cards then imo its not recommended to get a players card.
Only way i see it working is you make sure you rathole chips everytime and always announce your losses so atleast they see you as a losing player. But they gonna find out you are counting either way and by giving them your photo id for players card you are just giving them more information to put in the system which they gonna use to flyer you or tell to sister casino.
Not recommended
I used to play at really small casini 5$ min. They ask id like 2 times everytime i played at that place. The day i got backed off, pb asked about my players card 3 times in 1 hour ( why was he asking my players card to let me play longer answer is no, he was asking so he can get my real name with a picture on it.)
If you are not a big threat some casinos let you play for some time but in that mean time they will try their hardest to get your id.
I would be ratholing chips each time. I had a player's card years ago when I used to play more and I successfully palmed chips each time to appear as if I was a losing player over time.Originally Posted by Blackjack player
My plan is to only play Spanish 21 with a max bet of around $100 and hop between local casinos. Thinking if I get a player's card, I can last a fairly long time.
So here is a thing. You should not be thinking about getting a players card at a casino where they scan your id before going in. If security guard just looks at your id for your age its another thing but if they scan it everytime its gonna result really bad for you. As when you get players card they will have your photo id in system and lets say if they back you off ( if they say no more 21 games its other case) they gonna make sure they put your picture in system and then everytime security guy scans your id for entrance purpose, screen will say banned from casino.
If you dont make players card they wont have your id.
Depending on back off if its aggressive style they might get your id from security service otherwise they might just leave it. Then you can come back after certain period of time once they forget about you. But if they have your players card anytime you try to enter casino security guard wont let you step in.
When I walk into the casino, they scan the back with a red light, the guy looks at his scanner, and he says I'm good to go in. Do you know if that device is just quickly showing him my age or if it is scanning all of my info and saving it? If the latter is true and I am ever backed off without a player's card, couldn't they just retrieve my info from the scan retroactively?
casino i used to play had a scanner at entrance where they put id into a device then they let me in. i got banned from one casino and next time i went to other casino i wasn't allowed by security guard as my picture showed up on his screen when he scanned my id. i am not sure what kind of device they use at ur place( i would just ask the security guy about saving info, they usually tell everything they know)
if you really wanna try this players card thing, use your friends player card, next time a pb ask u players card tell them i have my friends card can i use it we share points, i cant make my own as my wife will find out about my gambling addiction.
pb ask for players card when you buy_In, they usually dont ask when u already have chips. as its ur local shops try to build inventory of chips. so you can just join a running game and pb will never have a chance to ask for a players card.
That's a good point, I can just ask him what the device does. The card doesn't go through a machine, the device this guy scanned my card with is similar to the one that the clerk at the supermarket uses to scan your item.
Do you think there is merit to the idea of using the rating system to rathole chips and appear as a loser long-term? The pit boss can pull up my account and see if I am a long-term winner or loser so that idea makes sense to me.
Being a losing player and betting low stakes to stay under radar might give you some extra time but it wont last forever.
I once tried to stay under radar by playing 2"60 as max bet ( ev was good accroding to bankroll as it was 5/10 times heads up with good pen and rules) i was also ratholing all my winnings ofcourse in presence of other players at table and i am pretty sure casino never noticed about my ratholing but still got kicked out so its upto the casino management tolerance level.
That's interesting. I'm surprised you got backed off at such low stakes and with a card. Thanks for all the info. Do you think that playing Spanish 21 could increase that longevity even more? There is a double deck blackjack game in this place too and the pit is all over that so they seem to ignore the $5 spanish table I play at.
Yeah compare ur ev on both games and see where you have to spread less to make same amount of money. DD games are usually watched more closely by casino staff.
And obviously You dont wanna stay in casino double the time to generate same ev. Choose wisely.
So min is 5$ whats ur max bet?
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