Originally Posted by Power
What?... OMG
And this is the only reason for changing systems? Do you really understand that you are reasoning like PlOPPY?
Do you really understand how much power UBZ 2 contains, and that it is 2 times lighter than Hi OPT 2?
P.S.
You make some kind of joke out of the names of the systems, without a complete understanding of the mathematics of the games...
I dream of owning UBZ 2!
Last edited by Gramazeka; 10-04-2024 at 03:15 PM.
"Don't Cast Your Pearls Before Swine" (Jesus)
This is some kind of fake nickname and his reasoning, which has no idea about the real difficulty of moving from system to system.
"I'm putting in about 30 to 50 hours a week. " - Don't lie! You are a chat bot with artificial intelligence))
Such reasoning does not happen in real life!
Last edited by Gramazeka; 10-04-2024 at 03:50 PM.
"Don't Cast Your Pearls Before Swine" (Jesus)
Trolls will be trolls.
Truth is I ran with UBZ2 for about a month. As I said I'm sure it's just the variance. The math doesn't lie.
The real reason is reading SO many posts that HIopt2 is "so hard" scared me away. I first became so good at hi-lo I could back count 2 tables at the same time. I'd do hi-lo with a ace side count. Why? Because I'd get bored. Also to maybe one day get good enough for my "goal". Hiopt2.
I finally chose UBZ2 to get more power. It worked. UBZ2 was very easy for me to pick up.
Then I said to myself. How much harder can hiopt2 REALLY be? It's not that hard. ASC is easy too. I can do it 6 decks almost but once I get to about 4 decks pen. The M, N, O P, Q really starts getting complicated. In the heat of the table.
(Incase you don't understand, I use letters to count the aces.)
I.e. D7E... would be down/ negative 7, -E (-5 Aces)
From the beginning I researched what the 'best' count is for me or my goal.. People scared me away. After many many hours and help from jBJ apprenticeship etc etc. Now I'm here to say thank you to everyone.
Try to get any help and my 2cents is don't listen to everyone saying something is too hard. Try it whatever your goal is. Start hi-lo then see how far you can go. Ubz2 seems great. That's why I moved up to it. Yet as I said... Really it's almost the same as hiopt2 in difficulty. You just have to ASC. Take a look. =)
If you can UBZ2 why not ASC and get more $$$. It's almost like people try to scare everyone away from hiopt2. I get some can't do the math. Or it's just not for them. Yet so many say it's too hard. I don't get it. Really go look at indexes etc. Almost the same system. Just add ASC.
I do not find it so hard moving system to system. Yet I didn't learn all the new Deviations like I should have for UBZ2. I'm sure that has a lot of reasoning why I wouldn't win like I should have. (I had to dig for deviations online)
I'm not putting down UBZ2 at all. I just figured hiopt2 is almost the same. Might as well go hard if I'm in it for the long run.
No hard feelings. This is my very first post ever as far as AP goes. I'm sure I sound like a novice Lol.
Yet my math is not flawed. That's what counts.
Last edited by Power; 10-05-2024 at 06:40 AM.
Pardon me Don, I mean no disrespect, but I still think you miss my main point:
Over the course of his counting career, player one uses what we'll call the "crippled HO2 system" ie. he plays HO2 with ASC and full indices vs. 1D and 2D. He uses HO2 without an ASC vs. 4D, 6D and 8D.
Player 2 uses Hi-Lo with full indices vs. everything.
All other things being equal, my assertion is that player one wins more over an equivalent timespan and therefore using HO2, and in certain situations, without an ASC is a valid approach. This is especially true when the other main objection to HO2 is that an ASC in shoe games is too error prone in real play to provide an advantage.
Could our imaginary player have won more by instead just using original Zen or CAC2 vs. everything? I don't know but that's not what's being discussed and another "my count is bigger than your count" debate is pointless.
Freightman I was talking to Don, not you.
After seeing several things you said demonstrated incorrect in this thread:
"ASC affects HO2 PE" (wrong)
"HO2 with no ASC is not as strong as Hi-Lo (wrong)
I'm guessing that your ego feels bruised and you're now lashing out so I'll leave this thread now and let you enjoy how "right" you are.
I'll see if I can find an ignore user setting for you. If I can, I won't see your next clever reply and if not I just won't bother looking. Either way the silence will be golden
Please do, and a friendly fuck off for you. Your commentary is idiotic and likely influenced by narcissistic tendencies compounded by a low level IQ.I'll see if I can find an ignore user setting for you
Your contribution to the forum would be enhanced by your absence.
Thank you for explaining it! =)The ASC in HO2 is used to make betting more accurate.
The way it works is....
So as far as P.E. it's kind of just more to know it's better odds in certain situations if rich or poor Aces in the deck. Yet not really for P.E.
To be honest I was just guessing. If the deck or DD is rich I'd just use it for P.E.
Now I know to add it to Rc then convert to tc for B.E. and not use it for PE.
95% of the time. (Mostly not to DD on 11 v 10 or aces) If rich with aces. Etc.
So I take it the indexes or deviations on BJ Verite is the best I can find for Hiopt2?? ... Anyone.. =)
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