Adjusting to Higher Table Limits

[BJC]

I have a questions for those more experienced. I would prefer to play $5-10 tables as my bankroll is $10K. However, $5 essentially no longer exists I haven't seen one even in off hours for over a year and I rarely see $10 anymore. The only $10 games I see are all 6:5 and that is obviously not worth playing.

Essentially $15 is the lowest you can occasionally find and typically and especially on any busy night on a weekend, your looking at $25 mins and possibly even $50.

How do you adjust to play in these conditions?

For example, I will usually do 1-16 or $10-$160 on a $10 min table. If It's a $15, I keep the same top bet which makes it just over 1-10. If a $25 table, same thing so now I'm playing basically 1-6. I even one time did a $50 min table, and luckily I had a lucky streak, but 1-3 I don't think that is sustainable for S17, DAS, LS, 6 deck

Is this the recommendation to avoid over-betting or should you try to adjust the 1-16 to the higher values?

[Blackjack player]

Wong in and wong out is best for you in this situation. Avoid any negative and neutral counts.
Depending how much ROR You are comfortable with, You might be able to play neutral counts on 25min depending on where they put cut card. But with 10k bankroll i would say wong in and out.
Avoiding neutral and negative counts will also give you better ev.
For now stick to wonging method.

[Freightman]

Consider the concept of Replenishable Bankroll - a concept offered by Snyder in Blackbelt in Blackjack - starting around page 147. The link below is a good information source.

https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...-help-a-newbie

[Cacarulo]

I have a questions for those more experienced. I would prefer to play $5-10 tables as my bankroll is $10K. However, $5 essentially no longer exists I haven't seen one even in off hours for over a year and I rarely see $10 anymore. The only $10 games I see are all 6:5 and that is obviously not worth playing.

Essentially $15 is the lowest you can occasionally find and typically and especially on any busy night on a weekend, your looking at $25 mins and possibly even $50.

How do you adjust to play in these conditions?

For example, I will usually do 1-16 or $10-$160 on a $10 min table. If It's a $15, I keep the same top bet which makes it just over 1-10. If a $25 table, same thing so now I'm playing basically 1-6. I even one time did a $50 min table, and luckily I had a lucky streak, but 1-3 I don't think that is sustainable for S17, DAS, LS, 6 deck

Is this the recommendation to avoid over-betting or should you try to adjust the 1-16 to the higher values?

Hi BJC,

Assuming the rules you're facing are 6D, S17, DOA, DAS, SPA1, SPL3, LS, 4.5/6, and you're playing CAC2 with a 1-16 spread, R52-L18,
the SCORE you should get is 44.31 with an optimal unit (OU) of around $12. Now, if your bankroll is $10K and your minimum bet is $12,
that would mean your Risk of Ruin (RoR) is 13.53% and your Win Rate (WR) equals your SCORE, which is $44.31 per hour.
However, 13.53% is too high. If your bet were lower than $12, your RoR would be lower, but so would your WR.
Conversely, if your minimum bet is $15, your RoR will be higher, as will your WR.
Higher bet, higher RoR and WR. Lower bet, lower RoR and WR. The SCORE remains the same.

The first thing you need to do is reduce that RoR, and this is achieved by increasing your bankroll or reducing your bet.
$10K corresponds to a 13.53% RoR (full Kelly) with an optimal bet of $12. If you increase your $10K to $15K,
your RoR would drop to 4.98% (2/3 Kelly), and with $20K, the RoR would be 1.83% (half Kelly).

The question you need to ask yourself is this: What RoR would I feel comfortable with? Once you've answered that,
you'll see what you need to do with your bankroll, or if you can't modify your bankroll, you'll have to adjust your optimal bet,
although in that case, you'll encounter the limits imposed by the table.
If you're unable to increase your bankroll, you'll need to keep playing at $5/$10 tables until your bankroll grows.

In summary, if your bankroll is $10,000 and your minimum bet is $12, your RoR will be 13.53%.
If your minimum bet is $10, your RoR will be 9.07%, and if it's $5, your RoR will be 0.82%.
With a $15 minimum, your RoR is 20.19%, and with $25, your RoR is 38.28%.
It's your choice.

Hope this helps.

Sincerely,
Cac

[BJC]

Thanks Cac!

Yes, that helps. I need to travel further to find lower tables if available. I'm also going to just have to save up more for my bankroll.

The games I play are mostly H17 for low level tables. I've only seen S17 for $25min tables and above.

Thanks!

[sondjata]

Thanks Cac!

Yes, that helps. I need to travel further to find lower tables if available. I'm also going to just have to save up more for my bankroll.

The games I play are mostly H17 for low level tables. I've only seen S17 for $25min tables and above.

Thanks!

Yeah. Not sure where you live but it appears the days of [beatable} $5 tables are at an end. Even 'machine" games, which given their lack of need for an employee doesn't make sense to me, but Royalties I guess.

[BJC]

I find it amazing though because $15 minimums probably turn away alot of regular gamblers. You would think they could make more money through volume

[21forme]

I find it amazing though because $15 minimums probably turn away alot of regular gamblers. You would think they could make more money through volume

Casinos have replaced low limit tables with machines. Less expense for them - no dealer payroll, etc.

[moo321]

Back count

[moo321]

I find it amazing though because $15 minimums probably turn away alot of regular gamblers. You would think they could make more money through volume

They would. They're stupid. Casino operations management is incredibly stupid, especially around table games. They'd make more money with better pen, better comps, late surrender universally offered, and a lot of other things.