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    Side bet

    Any 19 pays 1:1
    Any 20 pays 2:1
    Unsuited 21 pays 3:1
    Suited 21 pays 10:1
    Unsuited 6-7-8 pays 30:1
    Unsuited 7-7-7 pays 30:1
    Suited 6-7-8 pays 100 to 1
    Suited 7-7-7 pays 200 to 1
    Is this side bet beatable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackjack player View Post
    Any 19 pays 1:1 2:1
    Any 20 pays 2:1
    Unsuited 21 pays 3:1
    Suited 21 pays 10:1 15-1
    Unsuited 6-7-8 pays 30:1
    Unsuited 7-7-7 pays 30:1 50-1
    Suited 6-7-8 pays 100 to 1
    Suited 7-7-7 pays 200 to 1
    Is this side bet beatable?
    Not beatable. This is a bastardization of Lucky Lucky. The bolded numbers are mine and denote the proper payout. The others unchanged denote the proper Lucky Lucky payout. With the bolded numbers, house edge is about 2.6% house edge. Changing the 19 to 1-1, house edge increases to about 5.2%. Not sure the degradation of what the 777 30-1 does.

    Despite the changes, there are inroads available to assist. There is a gaming mathematician who posts here every so often - forget his name, but someone will advise. He has a free download that calculates various side game payouts. I have it somewhere, but you can search his site once somebody provides his name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackjack player View Post
    Any 19 pays 1:1
    Any 20 pays 2:1
    Unsuited 21 pays 3:1
    Suited 21 pays 10:1
    Unsuited 6-7-8 pays 30:1
    Unsuited 7-7-7 pays 30:1
    Suited 6-7-8 pays 100 to 1
    Suited 7-7-7 pays 200 to 1
    Is this side bet beatable?

    What is the penetration ? 7/8 ? 5/6 ?

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    Cut 1.75 out of 8 decks

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackjack player View Post
    cut 1.75 out of 8 decks

    House edge = 13.332796%.

    Bet 1 hand/round, penetration 6.25/8, betting opportunity/shoe = 0.353 hand, flat bet 1 unit when +EV, winning/shoe = 0. 01195 unit. Results based on 1 million shoe simulation + perfect strategy.

    Not beatable.
    Last edited by James989; 09-13-2024 at 08:16 AM.

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    What about lucky ladies side bet.
    2 Queen of hearts with dealer bj 1000 to 1
    2 queen of hearts 200 to 1
    Matched 20 pays 25 to 1
    Suited 20 pays 10 to 1
    Any 20 pays 4 to 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackjack player View Post
    What about lucky ladies side bet.
    2 Queen of hearts with dealer bj 1000 to 1
    2 queen of hearts 200 to 1
    Matched 20 pays 25 to 1
    Suited 20 pays 10 to 1
    Any 20 pays 4 to 1
    First, Lucky Lucky to catch up. The gaming math guy is Elliot Jacobsen or (son). Google him
    Second to clarify - selectively beatable which means you practice a wonging type strategy or a variable ramp type strategy. I beat it routinely.

    Lucky Ladies has a huge off the top house edge in the 20% + range. It is beatable in higher True counts starting at about True 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    First, Lucky Lucky to catch up. The gaming math guy is Elliot Jacobsen or (son). Google him
    Second to clarify - selectively beatable which means you practice a wonging type strategy or a variable ramp type strategy. I beat it routinely.

    Lucky Ladies has a huge off the top house edge in the 20% + range. It is beatable in higher True counts starting at about True 5.
    It is beatable but it should be emphasized the advantage from Lucky Ladies has substantially higher variance than an equivalent advantage from regular blackjack.

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    The effects on SCORE of high LL variance are illustrated in the charts at: https://www.blackjackincolor.com/blackjacksidebet1.htm
    Last edited by Norm; 09-15-2024 at 09:43 AM.
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