Negative ev

[moo321]

Wow so there is an edge playing 6/5 games

You're just thinking of counting. There are a lot of ways to beat a casino besides counting. But there are definitely 6 to 5 games that can be beaten with counting.

[G Man]

But there are definitely 6 to 5 games that can be beaten with counting.

Can you show us a method using counting that would produce a game interesting enough, to the point where a player would leave is living room to play it ? By "interesting enough" i mean a DI over 5...

[Cacarulo]

Can you show us a method using counting that would produce a game interesting enough, to the point where a player would leave is living room to play it ? By "interesting enough" i mean a DI over 5...

I was thinking the same thing. Also, what rules would accompany BJ paying 6:5? If you tell me it involves single-deck, S17 with early surrender, then I would say yes, it would be possible to beat it with card counting.
Other rules would require a very large spread to achieve a minimal SCORE less than 10.

Sincerely,
Cac

[G Man]

Yep, but we are not living in fantasy land.
Let's see what moo will come up with...

[Archvaldor]

Can you show us a method using counting that would produce a game interesting enough, to the point where a player would leave is living room to play it ? By "interesting enough" i mean a DI over 5...

100% pen games can be beaten with 6;5. There was actually an even-money bj game with 100% pen dealt from a major strip property for some time. It was removed. Go figure.

The best technique for attacking such games is end-play, as described in Beat The Dealer. As Thorp shows there are many situations where a player can effectively control the deck composition and have an advantage of +10 or even 50%.or more.

Be warned: it is not easy to pull off. Most who try it will likely lose money. Which is why these games still exist.

[G Man]

Exactly what we are saying.... fantasy land !

[Archvaldor]

Exactly what we are saying.... fantasy land !

Not really sure what you are getting at in this thread. You asked for "Can you show us a method using counting that would produce a game interesting enough, to the point where a player would leave is living room to play it "
I provided an example. So did Cac. These answers do not seem satisfactory to you so perhaps you could clarify what you are looking for?

[DSchles]

These answers do not seem satisfactory to you so perhaps you could clarify what you are looking for?

He's looking for a real 6:5 game that someone could play without being thrown out in five minutes, not a contrived one that doesn't exist.

Don

[G Man]

Simple enough. Thanks Don.

[Archvaldor]

He's looking for a real 6:5 game that someone could play without being thrown out in five minutes, not a contrived one that doesn't exist.

Don

According to this thread at least one such game exists : https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...l=1#post309266

[G Man]

Yep, one single game in the world make 6:5 beatable.

moo321: But there are definitely 6 to 5 games that can be beaten with counting.

Good luck everyone !

[Archvaldor]

Yep, one single game in the world make 6:5 beatable.

!

You asked for an example I provided you with one.

As Cac already explained in the thread you just need good/excellent rules/pen to beat it consistently.

[moo321]

He's looking for a real 6:5 game that someone could play without being thrown out in five minutes, not a contrived one that doesn't exist.

Don

H17 DAS single deck 6 to 5, Rule of 7 pen, you can get a winrate of over $90 with just a 1 to 6 spread if you're playing third base. That's with Hi Lo. It's more with Zen, Hi Opt II, etc.

That's admittedly a good game, but I wouldn't call it contrived. You can get a winrate over $50 playing Rule of 6 pen with ok rules (H17 DAS, no surrender) with a 1-20 spread.

If you're willing to spread more, there is a decent range of games which is at least playable. If you can spread a lot, you don't even need great pen. And late surrender can really add a lot to the game.