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    In the configuration, go to Tools-Export, create an export and email it. Also, if you haven't already, send me a link to the rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    In the configuration, go to Tools-Export, create an export and email it. Also, if you haven't already, send me a link to the rules.

    Hi Norm, this are the rules

    8 Decks
    S17
    D10/11
    NDAS
    1 split only
    ENHC (actually is a hole card but no peek)
    Player loses all bets
    PEN 6.5-7/8.
    BJ 3:2
    No surrender


    but there are some pretty rare rules, and I cant find how much affect the edge

    Tied BJ paid 50% ( no even money offered) and you can also insurance, so in case both got BJ you win the insurance and the 50% paid.

    Also every unnatural BJ ( after splitting either 10s or As) are paid 3:2

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    I think I have the solution for CVData. I was able to do it with three bonuses.

    First of all: The BJ payoff is set to 5:10.
    In bonus 1, "BJTIE," the payoffs are set to 0.0, and both the dealer and the player have 2 cards with a total of 21.
    In bonus 2, "BJS1," the fixed payoff is set to 1.0, the dealer has more than 2 cards with any total, and the player has 2 cards with a total of 21.
    In bonus 3, "BJS2," the fixed payoff is set to 1.0, the dealer has 2 cards with a total less than 21, and the player has 2 cards with a total of 21.
    In all bonuses, splits are set to 4.

    You need to modify the basic strategy: AAvA should be split, and to obtain the house edge, you need to run 46 fixed rounds (without penetration and without a burn card).
    Try it and then let me know if it works for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cacarulo View Post
    I think I have the solution for CVData. I was able to do it with three bonuses.

    First of all: The BJ payoff is set to 5:10.
    In bonus 1, "BJTIE," the payoffs are set to 0.0, and both the dealer and the player have 2 cards with a total of 21.
    In bonus 2, "BJS1," the fixed payoff is set to 1.0, the dealer has more than 2 cards with any total, and the player has 2 cards with a total of 21.
    In bonus 3, "BJS2," the fixed payoff is set to 1.0, the dealer has 2 cards with a total less than 21, and the player has 2 cards with a total of 21.
    In all bonuses, splits are set to 4.

    You need to modify the basic strategy: AAvA should be split, and to obtain the house edge, you need to run 46 fixed rounds (without penetration and without a burn card).
    Try it and then let me know if it works for you.

    Sincerely,
    Cac

    Thank you So much Cacarulo , I will try it as soon I got home.

    Correct me if Im wrong "fixed " payoffs mean the bonus is not dependant of the Bet, Is just "1 unit" in this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraph View Post
    Thank you So much Cacarulo , I will try it as soon I got home.

    Correct me if Im wrong "fixed " payoffs mean the bonus is not dependant of the Bet, Is just "1 unit" in this case.
    I'm not so sure about that part. I don't know whether to set a variable or fixed payoff. Norm?

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    Fixed is in units, not based on the bet. Variable is based on the bet. I've asked for an export to look at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Using the Debug function and the logs is the best way to examine settings like this. You can specify the cards and see what happens. It will run a one hand sim and provide results. Takes a while to get used to but is what I use to test custom bonuses and side bets.

    0.5 is a bonus for any BJ
    a) Because the Original Payoff is 1:1 , for a natural blackjack you win 1:1 + the 0.5 bonus
    b) Because the split option is on, for an unatural BJ you win 1:1 + the 0.5 bonus
    c) for the tied BJ you only receive the 0.5 bonus (no original payoff)






    a) Natural BJ works


    bjq.jpg

    b) Unatural BJ after Split works

    1.jpg

    c) BJ Tied is not working


    push.jpg


    Norm, is it posible that in the BJ Push the bonus is 0 cause the variable bonus (0.5) affects the Units won (in this case 0) instead of the actual BET?
    Last edited by Seraph; 07-18-2024 at 12:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Fixed is in units, not based on the bet. Variable is based on the bet. I've asked for an export to look at it.
    email sent Thanks Norm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraph View Post
    0.5 is a bonus for any BJ
    a) Because the Original Payoff is 1:1 , for a natural blackjack you win 1:1 + the 0.5 bonus
    b) Because the split option is on, for an unatural BJ you win 1:1 + the 0.5 bonus
    c) for the tied BJ you only receive the 0.5 bonus (no original payoff)






    a) Natural BJ works


    bjq.jpg

    b) Split works

    1.jpg

    c) BJ Tied is not working


    push.jpg


    Norm, is it posible that in the BJ Push the bonus is 0 cause the variable bonus (0.5) affects the Units won (in this case 0) instead of the actual BET?
    Hi Seraph,

    It's strange that it's not working. For now, the EVs I'm getting (always with flat bets), a fixed number of rounds (46), no burn card, and AAvA (split) give me an IBA of -0.56%/-0.57%. That result is correct.
    But the final word on this bonus issue is with Norm. I don't know how the program works internally.

    The following are the expected values obtained through my simulator, with 50 billion iterations and 50 fixed rounds per shoe.

    - EV = -0.887% (Standard rules)
    - EV = -0.684% (With BJ after splitting + AAvA)
    - EV = -0.567% (With BJ after splitting and BJ ties paying 0.5 + AAvA)

    Sincerely,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cacarulo View Post
    Hi Seraph,

    It's strange that it's not working. For now, the EVs I'm getting (always with flat bets), a fixed number of rounds (46), no burn card, and AAvA (split) give me an IBA of -0.56%/-0.57%. That result is correct.
    But the final word on this bonus issue is with Norm. I don't know how the program works internally.

    The following are the expected values obtained through my simulator, with 50 billion iterations and 50 fixed rounds per shoe.

    - EV = -0.887% (Standard rules)
    - EV = -0.684% (With BJ after splitting + AAvA)
    - EV = -0.567% (With BJ after splitting and BJ ties paying 0.5 + AAvA)

    Sincerely,
    Cac
    CaC ,Can I ask you a favor?
    Could you run in your simulator with this Bet spread:

    RC bet
    -1 30
    0 30
    1 2x30
    2 2x60
    3 2x90
    4 2x120
    5 2x150
    >= 6 2x180

    Im really curious about the EV and the SCore with those bets

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraph View Post
    CaC ,Can I ask you a favor?
    Could you run in your simulator with this Bet spread:

    RC bet
    -1 30
    0 30
    1 2x30
    2 2x60
    3 2x90
    4 2x120
    5 2x150
    >= 6 2x180

    Im really curious about the EV and the SCore with those bets
    If at some point I have the time and the desire to do it, I will let you know. In the meantime, I recommend
    that you see how to make CVData work with the bonuses.
    I think you understand that your request requires several preliminary steps.

    Sincerely,
    Cac
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cacarulo View Post
    If at some point I have the time and the desire to do it, I will let you know. In the meantime, I recommend
    that you see how to make CVData work with the bonuses.
    I think you understand that your request requires several preliminary steps.

    Sincerely,
    Cac

    I understand Thanks anyway.

    According to the Debug I believe I finnaly did it

    bj push.jpg
    Last edited by Seraph; 07-18-2024 at 05:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraph View Post
    I understand Thanks anyway.

    According to the Debug I believe I finnaly did it

    bj push.jpg
    Great! Did you do it following the model I had proposed earlier, or did you do something new?

    Sincerely,
    Cac
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