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    Betting Correlation

    How much of a difference does .99 BC vs .96 BC make? And lets say the .99 BC count is a bit more complex than the .96 BC, and by a bit I mean side counting 2 cards instead of 1.

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    How much of a difference does .99 BC vs .96 BC
    Think of it this way
    1. You will earn about 10-15% more with same time effort
    2. You will earn about the same amount with 10-15% less time effort

    And lets say the .99 BC count is a bit more complex than the .96 BC, and by a bit I mean side counting 2 cards instead of 1.
    Your comment is ambiguous. Are you referring to ace reckoned or ace neutral counts.

    Ace reckoned counts don’t require a side count. Ace neutral requires an ASC to reach .99 BC. (Hi Opt 2). A second side count (usually 7’s) may be utilized for some players for Double Deck. Few if any players will utilize a second card side count at 6D. ASC in Ace Reckoned counts will significantly improve PE, but will not improve BC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvertedBagofHolding View Post
    How much of a difference does .99 BC vs .96 BC make? And lets say the .99 BC count is a bit more complex than the .96 BC, and by a bit I mean side counting 2 cards instead of 1.
    BC/BE by itself means nothing. It must go hand in hand with PE. What I mean by this is that you can have a system with a BC of 0.99 that turns out to be inferior, in terms of SCORE, to another with, for example, 0.96.
    The only case where we can assert that one BC is actually better than another is when flat betting. Once indices and a specific spread are incorporated, things change.

    Sincerely,
    Cac
    Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.

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    Ace reckoned counts don’t require a side count. Ace neutral requires an ASC to reach .99 BC. (Hi Opt 2). A second side count (usually 7’s) may be utilized for some players for Double Deck. Few if any players will utilize a second card side count at 6D. ASC in Ace Reckoned counts will significantly improve PE, but will not improve BC.
    Here I disagree. What you're saying depends on the counting system you use. In Hi-Lo or Halves, an ASC will effectively improve PE and not BC, as you rightly say, but with CAC2 this is not the case, as I clearly explain in the attached document "CAC2 Enhanced".
    This means that in some ace-reckoned counts, it is possible to improve BC with the use of an ASC.

    Sincerely,
    Cac
    Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Think of it this way
    1. You will earn about 10-15% more with same time effort
    2. You will earn about the same amount with 10-15% less time effort
    Hmm so I could easily out pace the harder count. Ugh the perfectionist in me always tries to optimize things but simplicity is crucial with respect to time. I could probably do the easier count all day while the “stronger” count is more exhaustive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Your comment is ambiguous. Are you referring to ace reckoned or ace neutral counts.
    Lol yeah that was intentional. My count is unique and I’d rather not doxx myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvertedBagofHolding View Post
    My count is unique.
    Feel free to expand. Just about every count/sidecount/sidecounts/3-4-5 columnar counts/ have been discussed here at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secretariat View Post
    Feel free to expand. Just about every count/sidecount/sidecounts/3-4-5 columnar counts/ have been discussed here at some point.
    Oh for sure, though I’m not in the position to discuss it openly. It was passed down from a mentor, but the count itself can be improved, just not sure the extra effort is worth the trouble. Assuming PE is the same how much more work would make a .99BC count worth it over a .96? If it’s really only 10-15% then the easier version I can easily do faster/longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvertedBagofHolding View Post
    Oh for sure, though I’m not in the position to discuss it openly. It was passed down from a mentor, but the count itself can be improved, just not sure the extra effort is worth the trouble. Assuming PE is the same how much more work would make a .99BC count worth it over a .96? If it’s really only 10-15% then the easier version I can easily do faster/longer.
    The most important PE improvement is perfect insurance (or close to it) but I am not sure how you can get to that from your main system since we don't know what information you use.

    As far as the "extra effort", the most difficult part is the learning phase. Once something is truly learned, it becomes automatic so its application at the table does not require that much extra effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secretariat View Post
    The most important PE improvement is perfect insurance (or close to it) but I am not sure how you can get to that from your main system since we don't know what information you use.

    As far as the "extra effort", the most difficult part is the learning phase. Once something is truly learned, it becomes automatic so its application at the table does not require that much extra effort.
    Both comments are on the money - see bolded portion for extra emphasis

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    Hmm so I could easily out pace the harder count.
    Maybe. Depends on your spread. If you’re playing locally with tight spreads and that “harder” count is better able to identify both marginal weakness and strength, then you’ll do much better with that “harder” spread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secretariat View Post
    Feel free to expand. Just about every count/sidecount/sidecounts/3-4-5 columnar counts/ have been discussed here at some point.

    Still looking for more of these posts. If you have some favorite threads feel free to share. I'm continuing to surf around as well.

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