# Thread: Profitable play and spreads ?

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## From playing 1 hand to 2 hands spreads ???

Hi everyone,
Im a newbie, So please bear with me !
I made a playbook and I’m wondering if I’m playing a winning game?
I’m using HiLo count
6 decks, 75-80 % pen
Split upto 4 hands, no RSA, DAS, double any two cards, no surrender
I go to casino at odd hrs so it’s a Play-all situation
I’m using a 1-20 bet spread
True 1 1 unit
True 2 2 units
True 3 4 units
True 4 8 units
True 5 16 units/ hand or 2 hands at 8units/hand
True 6 or more 20 units/hand or 2 hands at 10units/hand
For deviations I use:
Insurance Take tc 3 or more
16 v 10. Stand rc 1 or more
(16 v 10. Stand rc 0 if I have 3 cards total
Hit. rc 0 if I have 2 cards total)
16 v 9 Stand tc 5 or more
15 v 10. Stand. tc 5 or more
12 v 2. Stand tc 3 or more
12 v 3. Stand. tc 1 or more
9 v 2. Double tc 1 or more
9 v 7. Double tc 4 or more
10 v 5. Split. tc 5 or more
10 v 6. Split tc 4 or more
I put in about 50 hrs and so far im down about 20 units. I don’t know how to use or own a software

Thanks in advance everyone!!!

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Won't harp on some of the indices, which may be off by one or so, but you're not playing the two hands correctly. Why would you play two hands at high counts if not to get more money on the table than you would playing one hand? Your +5 bet should be 2 x 12 units and your +6, 2 x 15. General rule of thumb: 75% of your one-hand bet on each of the two hands.

Don

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An issue to address is your ramp. You didn’t indicate H17 or S17, so assuming H17. Off the top, appears to be a house edge of around .63-.67.

In an optimal basis (optimal is not the end all be all). True 1 1 unit is Fine. True 2 the ramp starts with 2 units assuming strong roll. True 3 is 4 units is a bit of a stretch but okay (note would be correct absolutely at .5% house edge.
True 4 is 8 units which is an absolute stretch.

You want to increase your wager in proportion to your gain in advantage. To make it easier, I’ll explain it based on .5% house edge so that you better understand the principle.

true 1, .5% house edge, 1 unit
true 2, even with house, depending on strength of roll, 1 or 2 units, use 2 since you have a wide spread and trade variance with house
true 3, YOU have .5% edge, 4 units
true 4, YOUR edge has doubled to 1%, double your wager to 8 units
true 5, YOUR edge has increase to 1.5% or 50% increase, so increase your wager 50% to 12 units.
true 6, Your edge has increased to 2% or 33% increase , so increase your wager to 16 units.

You also indicated mostly heads up and play all. My personal thoughts on style
If heads up, 1 hand keep going vertical unless butting up to table max.
If not heads up, as Don said - 75% of your 1 spot wager on each of 2 squares.

If playing to SCORE, max SCORE is achieved by splitting to 2 at +1. SCORE is not the end all be all. Depending on how much of a newbie you are, consider reducing your spread and therefore your variance until you season yourself. You a , keeping in mind slight errors on index value, looks like your playing EV Max vs Risk Averse - consider changing to RA.

My dad used to say - do as I say not as I do. I play different styles all the time. My home location is a very gentle spread that I have been milking for a very long time. I was recently at an out of town store - had to play at \$10-\$200 game. \$25 off the top decreasing to \$10 plus \$5 side bet in deep negatives, ramping up to a modest 2x \$200. As you continue your journey assuming of course it’s successful, you will hopefully learn all sorts of little tricks.

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Thanks Don !
Greatly appreciated !

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Thanks Freightman !
Greatly appreciated !

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Originally Posted by Freightman
An issue to address is your ramp. You didn’t indicate H17 or S17, so assuming H17. Off the top, appears to be a house edge of around .63-.67.

In an optimal basis (optimal is not the end all be all). True 1 1 unit is Fine. True 2 the ramp starts with 2 units assuming strong roll. True 3 is 4 units is a bit of a stretch but okay (note would be correct absolutely at .5% house edge.
True 4 is 8 units which is an absolute stretch.

You want to increase your wager in proportion to your gain in advantage. To make it easier, I’ll explain it based on .5% house edge so that you better understand the principle.

true 1, .5% house edge, 1 unit
true 2, even with house, depending on strength of roll, 1 or 2 units, use 2 since you have a wide spread and trade variance with house
true 3, YOU have .5% edge, 4 units
true 4, YOUR edge has doubled to 1%, double your wager to 8 units
true 5, YOUR edge has increase to 1.5% or 50% increase, so increase your wager 50% to 12 units.
true 6, Your edge has increased to 2% or 33% increase , so increase your wager to 16 units.

You also indicated mostly heads up and play all. My personal thoughts on style
If heads up, 1 hand keep going vertical unless butting up to table max.
If not heads up, as Don said - 75% of your 1 spot wager on each of 2 squares.

If playing to SCORE, max SCORE is achieved by splitting to 2 at +1. SCORE is not the end all be all. Depending on how much of a newbie you are, consider reducing your spread and therefore your variance until you season yourself. You a , keeping in mind slight errors on index value, looks like your playing EV Max vs Risk Averse - consider changing to RA.

My dad used to say - do as I say not as I do. I play different styles all the time. My home location is a very gentle spread that I have been milking for a very long time. I was recently at an out of town store - had to play at \$10-\$200 game. \$25 off the top decreasing to \$10 plus \$5 side bet in deep negatives, ramping up to a modest 2x \$200. As you continue your journey assuming of course it’s successful, you will hopefully learn all sorts of little tricks.
edit
ahead if myself - fundamental error. Will correct later

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You split 10s instead of doubling? Not sure if I read your index plays correctly

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