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    which play ceates more heat

    splitting 10.s against a 4,5,6 or doubling A8 against a 4,5,6? Thank you for your comments.

    Blackcat

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    If you play in North America, splitting 10s definitely generates more heat than doubling A8
    If you play in Europe, say France, none of these plays attract any heat if you're a local. If you come from USA, splitting 10s could generates some. A small act is needed here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcat View Post
    splitting 10.s against a 4,5,6 or doubling A8 against a 4,5,6? Thank you for your comments.

    Blackcat
    The former. When you double A8 against 6, you can make comment that book said double 9 against 6. Some people may say it is soft 19 but you can say you can treat it as 9 and double it.

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    Yet again, note that in a H17 game, doubling A,8 vs. 6 is basic strategy, so hardly should be in the same category as splitting tens.

    The real comparison would be splitting tens vs. doubling A,9 vs. 4, 5, or 6. For some reason, I'm willing to do the latter, and have dozens of times, but I stopped splitting tens a very long time ago.

    Don

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    Whichever play the game protection employee has been trained to look out for. In most cases, they aren't watching how the hands are played at all.

    Let me expand to some important principles. First, know who is responsible for watching the game. Some casinos have surveillance that actively watches games. Others don't look for counting much unless ordered to do so by a manager. Learn who has what job title: supervisor, security manager, pit boss, table games manager, shift manager, casino manager, are all titles that could have game protection responsibility (in roughly ascending order of likelihood).

    Second, try to get information about what makes them worried. Do the dealers scream "checks play!" furiously when a $100 bet goes out? Then $100 bets make them nervous. Do they scream when a single black chip is bet? Then black action makes them nervous. Maybe certain plays make them nervous (I am intentionally not being specific). Do they sweat if you win a certain amount? Do they review all "scores" above a certain amount after each shift? There are other possibilities that I won't mention because I don't want to tip off casinos about how to protect their games, and you should probably be more careful asking questions like this in the future for the same reason.

    Third, try to find casinos where the game protection is nonexistant, incompetent, or easily fooled. Good rules and pen are nice, but being able to play without being harassed is generally better. Best is when you get both. The EV is several times higher.
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    Splitting 10s.


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    A8v6 is basic strategy for some games. It's on basic strategy cards, so I can't see anyone thinking this would generate heat. I'd say 10s would generate more heat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcat View Post
    splitting 10.s against a 4,5,6 or doubling A8 against a 4,5,6? Thank you for your comments.

    Blackcat
    Splitting 10's is one of the plays most associated with card counting, at least in the minds of casino personnel. There's a good chance that a player who split tens late in the deal and not otherwise is a counter all things being equal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G Man View Post
    If you play in North America, splitting 10s definitely generates more heat than doubling A8
    If you play in Europe, say France, none of these plays attract any heat if you're a local. If you come from USA, splitting 10s could generates some. A small act is needed here.
    The French are indifferent to anything at all, in general. You'll get heat for this elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archvaldor View Post
    XXX is one of the plays most associated with card counting, at least in the minds of casino personnel. There's a good chance that a player who XXX is a counter all things being equal.
    Why do people continue to post things like this on a public forum? It's not true at many places, and it's giving away information to any casino employee that comes here.


    NEVER tell casinos easy ways to detect advantage play. And NEVER tell them how to protect their games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chipsgalore View Post
    XXX is basic strategy for some games. It's on basic strategy cards, so I can't see anyone thinking this would generate heat. I'd say XXX would generate more heat.
    How many casino employees do you think know basic strategy?
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    I guess the point is: They really don' have to know it; they just have to be able to read a card.

    Don

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    “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

    - Sun Tzu, The Art of War
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