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Thread: What is the dealer final total(17,18....26 and BJ) distribution for below scenarios

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    What is the dealer final total(17,18....26 and BJ) distribution for below scenarios

    1) 8 deck, S17
    2) 8 deck, H17
    3) 6 deck, S17
    4) 6 deck, H17

    17 : a%

    18 : b%

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    26 : j%

    BJ : k%

    Suppose the dealer still draws card(s) even though all the players hand burst
    Last edited by James989; 11-06-2023 at 10:57 PM.

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    Are you talking about the US rule where a dealer peeks for blackjack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    Are you talking about the US rule where a dealer peeks for blackjack?

    Suppose the dealer still draws card(s) even though all the players hand burst, so it does not matter ?

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    Yes, it should matter. I believe your mind is on Australian rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    Yes, it should matter. I believe your mind is on Australian rules.

    I think it does not matter because dealer will still draw cards even though all the players hand burst.

    Any info for those four cases ?

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    Let me think about this. I don’t have any numbers for these four cases but I can find them for the infinite deck case.

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    The dealer peeking for blackjack should matter because relatively less cards will be used for dealing out a round in a shoe game. It’s more efficient for the BJ business too. That’s why Americans invented the hole card peeker.

    For example, when dealer has a blackjack, player may not draw any more cards in US, but may in England.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    The dealer peeking for blackjack should matter because relatively less cards will be used for dealing out a round in a shoe game. It’s more efficient for the BJ business too. That’s why Americans invented the hole card peeker.

    For example, when dealer has a blackjack, player may not draw any more cards in US, but may in England.
    Efficiency does not change the dealer's final total distribution, it only effect how fast you can play the game.

    Player hit cards before or after dealer reveals her hole card does not effect dealer final total. So peek or no peek does not change the dealer final total, therefore will not change the final total distribution, agree ?

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    Player uses a different batch of cards than dealer does, so this factor will change the final distribution, so I disagree.

    It’s asymmetric.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    Player uses a different batch of cards than dealer does, so this factor will change the final distribution, so I disagree.

    It’s asymmetric.
    All cards uses by player and dealer are randomly pick, so there is no such thing as "Player uses a different batch of cards than dealer does"

    What is the dealer's final total distribution for this two cases ?

    1) 8 deck, S17, Peek
    2) 8 deck, S17, No Peek

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    I haven’t thought through all these but noticed a no helpful comment. This indicates you might be right. I need to look at the spreadsheets to see if there is any difference between peek and no peek situations. They are treated very differently when calculating their EVs.

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    Anyone can help to verify my numbers ?

    8 deck, S17.

    DEALER FINAL TOTAL ----------------%
    17 14.521
    18 13.928
    19 13.364
    20 17.976
    21 7.290
    22 7.259
    23 6.485
    24 5.667
    25 4.827
    26 3.937
    BJ 4.746

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    I only have these numbers for an infinite deck and S-17:

    Dealer final hand total: probability in %
    17: 14.5126
    18: 13.9497
    19: 13.3464
    20: 18.0252
    non-Blackjack 21: 7.2731
    Bust: 28.1593
    Blackjack: 4.7337
    Last edited by aceside; 11-08-2023 at 06:09 AM.

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