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[Gronbog]

I’d recommend knowing all indexes

Everyone is different, with different abilities when it comes to memorization. One of the goals of THLCCS was to allow people to choose their own effort vs reward stopping point when it comes to learning indices. For the game I mentioned above (4.5/6 S17 DAS), we identified 128 indices, some of which we knew were of very little value. However, as I said above, learning the top 20-25 of them will almost double SCORE vs playing basic strategy when counting. Learning another 25 gets you a few extra percent. We didn't go beyond 50 for play-all nor beyond 40 for back-counting because there is so little gain beyond that (pennies per hour). As part of those 50 we also recommended using the risk-averse index for doubling 10 vs T (+7 for Hi-Lo) because using the EV maximizing index (+4) actually reduces SCORE. Finally, we noted that SCORE is not maximized by learning all of the indices. In this case learning the top 121 maximizes SCORE and using the remaining 7 reduces SCORE by 0.14%.

Bottom line: it is not necessary to learn all of the indices and folks can choose their own stopping point based on the charts in our book.

After many hours of play I noticed plays coming out more frequently outside of the I18. ... There isn’t one that hasn’t come out however unlikely.

Doubtful. For the book we omitted plays which occur less than once every 2 million rounds. There were plenty of these and, as noted above, many more which were close to this line but of no real value.

Luckily I was able to guess to stay on a 16 dealer 9 when the count was super high for a 6 deck shoe

16 vs 9 is one of the I18. It's unthinkable that you didn't know this one. And you should never guess at an index if you don't know it.

[McSweeney]

My experience is the opposite. I thought about trying a higher-level count but am too busy learning 2-deck indices in addition to the 6-deck ones. Figuring out and calculating is easy, memorizing is hard.

Yes. When I switched to CAC2, it only took me about a month of playing experience to get fully acclimated to the +2/-2 and now there's no issue whatsoever. I even added an ace side count soon after that. And yet to this DAY I'm still trying to get all of the "Revisited 22" playing deviations committed to memory!

[BlackjackGod9]

Everyone is different, with different abilities when it comes to memorization. One of the goals of THLCCS was to allow people to choose their own effort vs reward stopping point when it comes to learning indices. For the game I mentioned above (4.5/6 S17 DAS), we identified 128 indices, some of which we knew were of very little value. However, as I said above, learning the top 20-25 of them will almost double SCORE vs playing basic strategy when counting. Learning another 25 gets you a few extra percent. We didn't go beyond 50 for play-all nor beyond 40 for back-counting because there is so little gain beyond that (pennies per hour). As part of those 50 we also recommended using the risk-averse index for doubling 10 vs T (+7 for Hi-Lo) because using the EV maximizing index (+4) actually reduces SCORE. Finally, we noted that SCORE is not maximized by learning all of the indices. In this case learning the top 121 maximizes SCORE and using the remaining 7 reduces SCORE by 0.14%.

Bottom line: it is not necessary to learn all of the indices and folks can choose their own stopping point based on the charts in our book.


Doubtful. For the book we omitted plays which occur less than once every 2 million rounds. There were plenty of these and, as noted above, many more which were close to this line but of no real value.


16 vs 9 is one of the I18. It's unthinkable that you didn't know this one. And you should never guess at an index if you don't know it.

No it’s not I just checked in the book BJFB dp sht. It says take insurance 16 vs 9 my situation was standing 16 vs 9 > TC 7.
You’re so condescending and exactly the type of person I avoid at all costs. You just said you should never guess an index right after you said you don’t have to learn the indices. How does that make sense? Just play basic on these and lose? Idk doesn’t sound like a winning strategy.

[BlackjackGod9]

Regardless it was a very high count, double digits, knew their was an indici for it in the single digits and stayed, happened to win. You’re such a jck a$$, good luck trying to play after being barred everywhere just for being a dck head maybe suspected of counting.

[BlackjackGod9]

I’m up to $13,000 using Ao2 on the BJA app after 1562 rounds so kss my a$$. I grimace every time a 9 to 2 dbl comes out on a neutral count and get flagged for not doubling then save half when I lose. Same for the 9d3 dbl on a count < 0.

[BlackjackGod9]

Mickey123720 is my uname if your head is that far up your own a$$ and need to check.

[Norm]

BlackjackGod9, tone it down. Civility leads to better collaboration.

[Gronbog]

No it’s not I just checked in the book BJFB dp sht. It says take insurance 16 vs 9 my situation was standing 16 vs 9 > TC 7.
strategy.

Not sure what insurance has to do with this. You were talking about using some non-I18 indices and cited 16 vs 9 as an example. I simply pointed out that 16 vs 9 is an I18 index and wondered about how someone with the skills you claim to have and who recommends using all of the indices not only didn't know this, but also had to look up the index number later.

You’re so condescending and exactly the type of person I avoid at all costs. You just said you should never guess an index right after you said you don’t have to learn the indices. How does that make sense? Just play basic on these and lose? Idk doesn’t sound like a winning strategy.

In my opinion, although it's not optimal, you're better off playing basic strategy than guessing at an index number, especially in a high count when you probably have a large bet out. You have since indicated that you had some idea that the index was single digit and you had a double digit count. That's completely different than what you said at first which was that you got lucky and guessed while you "stayed and prayed". It was the latter that I was warning against.

The indices you don't need to learn are all of low value. Whether you use these indices or play basic strategy in those situations will make almost no difference to your long term results. Not knowing a frequent and high value index like 16 vs 9 will definitely cost you.

[DSchles]

No it’s not I just checked in the book BJFB dp sht. It says take insurance 16 vs 9 my situation was standing 16 vs 9 > TC 7.
You’re so condescending and exactly the type of person I avoid at all costs. You just said you should never guess an index right after you said you don’t have to learn the indices. How does that make sense? Just play basic on these and lose? Idk doesn’t sound like a winning strategy.

You have no idea whom you're speaking to, do you? Simply one of two or three of the finest blackjack researchers and blackjack simulation programmers in the world today. Also, one of the most accommodating and easy to get along with members of this or any other blackjack forum. That you would come here and address him in the tone that you did is utterly deplorable. Perhaps it would behoove YOU to get YOUR head out of your ass and to do a little of your own research before bursting on the scene here and alienating everyone on the board.

Don

[BlackjackGod9]

Not sure what insurance has to do with this. You were talking about using some non-I18 indices and cited 16 vs 9 as an example. I simply pointed out that 16 vs 9 is an I18 index and wondered about how someone with the skills you claim to have and who recommends using all of the indices not only didn't know this, but also had to look up the index number later.

In my opinion, although it's not optimal, you're better off playing basic strategy than guessing at an index number, especially in a high count when you probably have a large bet out. You have since indicated that you had some idea that the index was single digit and you had a double digit count. That's completely different than what you said at first which was that you got lucky and guessed while you "stayed and prayed". It was the latter that I was warning against.

The indices you don't need to learn are all of low value. Whether you use these indices or play basic strategy in those situations will make almost no difference to your long term results. Not knowing a frequent and high value index like 16 vs 9 will definitely cost you.

It wasn’t recently dmba$$ it was when I first started playing land based like 8 months ago. Of course I went went back and re-reviewed all the indexes. I still review them on my way to playing. Maybe you’d have more clients if you didn’t have this superior narrow minded attitude. It’s said AP can be for the masses but then you are excessively critical over one comment which you misunderstood. As a leader in corporation that mentors and leads teams, you need to be less critical or your people are not going to grow. Most people aren’t as self motivated, demanding and ambitious of themselves as us.
Stayed and prayed is a saying in BJFB for the 16 on 10 Aop modification.
It’s okay for people to make mistakes. Obviously that is not the intention. If you think one mistake will be the reason for ruin then you are also not thinking logically and thinking like the gamblers at the table who blame the whole shoe on me staying on hard 16 dealer 10 or the whole reason they lost their whole BR.

If you go in with a perfectionist mindset you will quit very early on or you will an unhappy a$$hole.

I get that you want the highest possible standards as do I but lower the level of criticism.

[BlackjackGod9]

You really just said behoves me? Cringe.

[Norm]

BlackjackGod9 suspended one week for persistent name calling.

[DSchles]

You really just said behoves me? Cringe.

LOL!! Realize he's gone, as well he should be, but no, I didn't say "behoves" me; I said "behooves you." Guess the vocabulary was above his head. In any event, good riddance.

You really have to repeatedly wonder why newbies come here, seeking information, and then decide to insult the people who give it to them. Very strange modus operandi.

Don