Backed off at local casino

[bigmoney10]

I got backed off at my local casino over the weekend, so I'm looking for feedback. I played at this casino about twice a month for the last 6 months, my sessions were about 2-3 hours each, buy-ins ranged ranged from $300-$700, $25 min, and 4-unit spread. I'm aware of my ROR, but I wanted to familiarize myself with the surroundings and get first hand experience. To describe my last session before I got backed-off. I'm playing my 2nd to last shoe, the count went in my favor, so I upped my bet to $100 (max bet) and I kept betting that amount for the last 7 hands or so of the shoe, important to note that I did not win all those hands. Once the shoe ended, someone whispered into the ear of the dealer, but I didn't think anything of it since my stack of chips was basically my buy-in. During my last shoe, a pit boss was watching my play like a hawk, so I kept my bet at table min of $25. About halfway through the shoe another casino person in a suit stopped the dealer and said that "I was too good of a player" and backed me off. Although I understand that its easy to see my tendencies, I was not taking enough money to hurt their bottom line. I won roughly $2.5k over the course of 6 months, so I'm curious as to why they decided to back me off so quickly.

So I have a couple of concerns, is my info going to be shared with other casinos outside of their group?
Why did they back me off if I'm a low stake player? haha

I obviously won't be using a rewards card going forward anywhere. Any other advice would be helpful!

[BJGenius007]

I got backed off at my local casino over the weekend, so I'm looking for feedback. I played at this casino about twice a month for the last 6 months, my sessions were about 2-3 hours each, buy-ins ranged ranged from $300-$700, $25 min, and 4-unit spread. I'm aware of my ROR, but I wanted to familiarize myself with the surroundings and get first hand experience. To describe my last session before I got backed-off. I'm playing my 2nd to last shoe, the count went in my favor, so I upped my bet to $100 (max bet) and I kept betting that amount for the last 7 hands or so of the shoe, important to note that I did not win all those hands. Once the shoe ended, someone whispered into the ear of the dealer, but I didn't think anything of it since my stack of chips was basically my buy-in. During my last shoe, a pit boss was watching my play like a hawk, so I kept my bet at table min of $25. About halfway through the shoe another casino person in a suit stopped the dealer and said that "I was too good of a player" and backed me off. Although I understand that its easy to see my tendencies, I was not taking enough money to hurt their bottom line. I won roughly $2.5k over the course of 6 months, so I'm curious as to why they decided to back me off so quickly.

So I have a couple of concerns, is my info going to be shared with other casinos outside of their group?
Why did they back me off if I'm a low stake player? haha

I obviously won't be using a rewards card going forward anywhere. Any other advice would be helpful!

You should not have used a rewards card from the start. Now your information will be shared by as many casinos as possible. They sure will choose a good picture of you from surveillance camera to match your information. It is all too late now. Most of casinos will tell you that you cannot play BJ here five minutes after you enter the door since it is confirmed that you are a good counter.

[bigmoney10]

That seems a bit extreme....

[DrKysterstien]

I strongly believe a minor change in appearance will do you wonders, since it was your local casino. A few months ago I was in LV and was backed off at Caesars. I went back to my room and completely shaved my head to the skin, "normal head shape btw", picked up some colored contacts and got fake ear ring studs. Went so well I stayed another 2 weeks with no trouble. Knew a guy who put on a fat belly suit, play for 2 hours at one, took it off and hit another place, rise and repeat.

Now you are in "the system" you are no longer John from Delaware. Gotta get creative and get ahead of the curve in the sky.

-Dr

[Freightman]

So, you did mention shoe - it sounds like a shit hole backed you off a shoe game with a 1-4 spread. If in fact they flyer you, there’s a good chance it won’t matter since the other casinos notified likely know its a shit hole

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[vegaskid]

So, you did mention shoe - it sounds like a shit hole backed you off a shoe game with a 1-4 spread. If in fact they flyer you, there’s a good chance it won’t matter since the other casinos notified likely know its a shit hole

That was my thought as well. Unless he's sitting out all negative counts or they're dealing down to about half a deck, there's no way he's beating that game with a 1-4 spread. Mega sweaty on their part.

[bigmoney10]

Thanks for the replies. I'm probably just going to give up on that casino, just hoping it won't hurt me if I got to other casinos in the area

[BJGenius007]

Thanks for the replies. I'm probably just going to give up on that casino, just hoping it won't hurt me if I got to other casinos in the area

Did you sit out on negative count? As others point out, normally casinos won't back off people with 4 to 1 spread on shoe game.

[bigmoney10]

Nope. Just bet table min.

[JohnnyMack]

I suggest playing in another market for a 5 or 6 weeks then try other casinos in your market and see how it goes. You could even try them after a week or two and see how it goes. If you drove your car then they might have your license plate, and they might have shared that, so consider another means of getting to the casinos. You can probably go back to this casino after a few months. It kind of depends on how busy they are and how much employee turn over they have.

[Sharky]

Ok...I see 'shoe' game....wow...stupidity of casinos never cease to amazed. E

[sondjata]

I was not taking enough money to hurt their bottom line. I won roughly $2.5k over the course of 6 months, so I'm curious as to why they decided to back me off so quickly.

Actually you did take enough money to hurt their bottom line. You're looking at your AV, they are looking at your EV. Assuming your playing with rules that give the house a .3% house edge , they stood to "make" 7.5 cents for every min hand you played. If you played 100 hands an hour at the min, they see $7.5 in EV per hour. Over 3 hours of play that;'s $22 a pop for your day. Total ev for that 6 months in that hypothetical is 270. You took 2.5k off them over that time period. You most certainly threatened their bottom line on *that* table. That's how they see it. I recely posted on the change I ran into in Delaware where they switched to 6:5 BJ. I did the math and each day I played I took a weeks EV from the station. They eventually notice the missing money.

[Freightman]

Actually you did take enough money to hurt their bottom line. You're looking at your AV, they are looking at your EV. Assuming your playing with rules that give the house a .3% house edge , they stood to "make" 7.5 cents for every min hand you played. If you played 100 hands an hour at the min, they see $7.5 in EV per hour. Over 3 hours of play that;'s $22 a pop for your day. Total ev for that 6 months in that hypothetical is 270. You took 2.5k off them over that time period. You most certainly threatened their bottom line on *that* table. That's how they see it. I recely posted on the change I ran into in Delaware where they switched to 6:5 BJ. I did the math and each day I played I took a weeks EV from the station. They eventually notice the missing money.

Not all places are shit holes. I’ve played stores taking mega bucks over a period of time - advised by one knowlegable person - as long as I didn’t average 1k per day.

I could also reveal my long term EV or hourly from another (ongoing) store, but I won’t as I don’t want to encourage Snarky the Silent Stalker from making a fool of himself.