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    CVData V6: Sessions

    Hello Norm, I ran a sessions simulation using the Nuances tab with a multi-tracking simulator. The simulation was 100 million rounds. On the Session Data I screen, the results show 17,534 sessions for Seat 3. Does this mean, on average, there were 5703 rounds per session? That quotient seems rather low considering Total mean rounds = 10404, Target mean rounds = 7783, and Bankrupt mean rounds = 8992. Target reached 39.5% with Bankrupt 0.5%. Max rounds set to 12121. So my question to you is what dragged the mean down from 10404 to 5703?

    On a separate note, why does the Sessions feature not allow the forcing of a shuffle when the Multi-tracking simulator is employed? I'm playing multiple hands.

    MJ

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    I have no idea what those numbers mean without looking at an export.
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    I'll send you an export tomorrow. In the meantime, can you answer my second question?

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    I know of no restriction along those lines. I just tried multi-tracking with multi-hands with sessioning with force shuffle. I would need to see all your settings.
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    My apologies, I did not state my second question properly. It says right at the bottom of the Sessions tab, "Shuffle forcing and skipped rounds options do not apply to Multi-tracking and Shuffling sims". I understand this to mean that options under the Sessions tab such as Shuffle after bankruptcy and Shuffle after target will not work (despite being selected) in a Multi-tracking sim. Is that correct?

    Why do the sim parameters say I was sitting at second base? According to the sim results, I was at seat 3, no?

    Also, there is no option to select a seat in a Multi-tracking sim. Yet, you wrote on 2/14/23, "Also, with multiple hands, CVCX assumes you sit in the first seat and CVData allows you to specify in the multi-tracking simulator but assumes third base in the standard simulator. I am simulating multiple hands in the Multi-tracking sim. How can I specify the seat?

    I'm sending you the Export file. I don't believe the forum interface permits zip files as attachments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MJ1 View Post
    My apologies, I did not state my second question properly. It says right at the bottom of the Sessions tab, "Shuffle forcing and skipped rounds options do not apply to Multi-tracking and Shuffling sims". I understand this to mean that options under the Sessions tab such as Shuffle after bankruptcy and Shuffle after target will not work (despite being selected) in a Multi-tracking sim. Is that correct?
    I believe that's correct.

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    Also, there is no option to select a seat in a Multi-tracking sim. Yet, you wrote on 2/14/23, "Also, with multiple hands, CVCX assumes you sit in the first seat and CVData allows you to specify in the multi-tracking simulator but assumes third base in the standard simulator. I am simulating multiple hands in the Multi-tracking sim. How can I specify the seat?
    In multi-tracking, you specify how each player plays. Just click on each tab.
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    Why does the Sim parameter indicate I was at seat 2 when I was at seat 3?

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    Probably you have multiple hands speciified.
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    I do have multiple hands specified. But why does that matter? I selected seat 3 for the sim.

    Did you receive the export file I emailed you?

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    I'd have to see the sim. In the multi-tracking simulator, you define separate players in separate tabs. If a player plays more than one hand, he gets more than one seat and other players are moved. The stats are done by player, not by seat.

    A player cannot force a shuffle if there are other players at the table.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    A player cannot force a shuffle if there are other players at the table.
    In a standard sim the shuffle can be forced with other players at the table. I believe you are referring to a Multi tracking sim. Does what you wrote above apply to wonging?

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    Using the standard simulator, stats are collected for only one of the players. So yes, that player can force a shuffle. In the multi-simulator, stats are collected for all players. If one forces a shuffle, that messes up the stats for other players. So, it is not allowed.
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    Thanks Norm. I am still curious to know the answer to my first question-

    "...I ran a sessions simulation using the Nuances tab with a multi-tracking simulator. The simulation was 100 million rounds. On the Session Data I screen, the results show 17,534 sessions for Seat 3. Does this mean, on average, there were 5703 rounds per session? That quotient seems rather low considering Total mean rounds = 10404, Target mean rounds = 7783, and Bankrupt mean rounds = 8992. Target reached 39.5% with Bankrupt 0.5%. Max rounds set to 12121. So my question to you is what dragged the mean down from 10404 to 5703?"

    I emailed you the export file but never heard back on this. How can the mean be so low given the other stats I referenced?

    MJ

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