Advanced Strategy (ace tracking) - influence of Ace neighbors pre/post shuffle

**Norm** · 05-04-2023, 02:17 PM

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**Dog Hand** · 05-05-2023, 04:59 AM

$25 at LVA:

https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/shop...kers-cookbook/

Dog Hand

**UncleChoo** · 05-05-2023, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by aceside

If that’s the case, I’d like to get a copy to read into it. Is there a pdf copy to read online? I only read Norm’s book chapter about this topic.

I bought the book about 2 months ago after Ole mentioned it along with Norms shuffle tracking add-on. The book is worth the cost, Snyder does a great job teaching you how to break down the mechanics of a shuffle step by step and laying out training routines. He is also very honest about how difficult the skill is to learn and how some people no matter how hard they try probably can't learn it.

**Iwantmoney** · 05-05-2023, 09:40 AM

What’s plug tracking shuffle tracking of stacks?

Originally Posted by Ole

I suppose the best starting point is Arnold Snyder's Shuffle Tracking Cookbook. James Grosjean also considers it as a major tool in his second book. Dai Zilang presents an excellent treatise on plug tracking in his Winning Formula, if you can read Mandarin. A few other authors include part of a chapter on the topic.

Ken Uston and Tommy Hyland have discussed using key card combos that precede the appearance of an Ace. The MIT team briefly experimented with it.

The trick today is finding a real hand shuffle, or an ASM with which you've developed some expedience.

Cheers,
Ole

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**Iwantmoney** · 05-05-2023, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by Freightman

- further, especially on older cards and notched dd or 6d shoes, dealers hand pressure at top (heavier pressure reducing deck pen, lighter pressure increasing deck pen) can alter effective number of cards played.

Norm, if you view this as sensitive (some may consider it so), help yourself with the delete button.

It is opposite higher pressure means more penetration

**Ole** · 05-06-2023, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by Iwantmoney

What’s plug tracking shuffle tracking of stacks?

A plug or block of interesting cards (such as one rich in High Cards, rich in Low Cards, or rich in Aces) may be identified in the discard tray. Understanding or observing the type of shuffle allows one to estimate where the plug will end up and how it will be transmuted. The new shoe may then be cut for advantage.

I used this more often in past decades than lately.
Hope that helps.
Ole

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**mrkent** · 05-10-2023, 08:08 AM

Can shuffle tracking be done in the game with CSM?

**Dog Hand** · 05-11-2023, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by mrkent

Can shuffle tracking be done in the game with CSM?

mrkent,

Yes, provided the casino allows you to remove the cover from the CSM so that you can watch the shuffle ;-)

Dog Hand

**Norm** · 05-11-2023, 09:28 AM

They hate when I do that. Just reminds me of a ferris wheel.

**peterlee** · 05-21-2023, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by Dog Hand

mrkent,

Yes, provided the casino allows you to remove the cover from the CSM so that you can watch the shuffle ;-)

Dog Hand

Can shuffle tracking be done in the game with CSM?
Yes, for not the latest verion.

**Ole** · 05-22-2023, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by peterlee

Can shuffle tracking be done in the game with CSM?
Yes, ...

Yes, in the same vein that one would count a CSM.

One must change their method of shuffle tracking when confronting a CSM. For example, I'd switch from purely tactical techniques to a grand-strategic approach.

When my recon spots a CSM in action, then I won't even sit down at that table.

I may even boycott the whole casino, and tell all my friends to do the same.

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**peterlee** · 05-23-2023, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by Freightman

I have no hypothesis on randomness of hand shuffled shoes with professional dealers. However, I’ve noted many poor dealers where fair sized slugs remain unshuffled shoe to shoe.

[I’ve noted many poor dealers where fair sized slugs remain unshuffled shoe to shoe. ]
Can you just tell which country?

**Freightman** · 05-24-2023, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by peterlee

[I’ve noted many poor dealers where fair sized slugs remain unshuffled shoe to shoe. ]
Can you just tell which country?

Not that it matters. Canada. Now, an ASM joint - this one dealer on every riffle would retain quarter deck slugs unshuffled - but that can happen anywhere. It was the top quarter deck if every riffle. I would concentrate on 1 specific riffle - pos or neg. I never got around to training myself to track 2 slugs.