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    thinking about spreading 1 to 2 or 3 just to get comps

    im thinking about going to vegas this year and maybe spreading 1 to 3 as max just to get the restaurant and hotel room comps.

    im not interested in making money out of it, im just going to be playing at $25 or $50 min double deck games and i would be happy if i break even or win a little. i know i can still lose but i think its a good bet at least.

    i will probably use full indices and try to make it look like im a stupid gambler or something.

    has anyone here ever done this? how did it work for you?

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    As Don published recently, you are supposed to spread 1-4, 1-6, and 1-8 for double-deck games. That is the bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwjman View Post
    im thinking about going to vegas this year and maybe spreading 1 to 3 as max just to get the restaurant and hotel room comps.

    im not interested in making money out of it, im just going to be playing at $25 or $50 min double deck games and i would be happy if i break even or win a little. i know i can still lose but i think its a good bet at least.

    i will probably use full indices and try to make it look like im a stupid gambler or something.

    has anyone here ever done this? how did it work for you?
    The first several years I played, I spread that out of naiveness and it was in shoe games which was even worse than spreading that in DD.
    I felt stupid when I started learning the game at a deeper level, but looking back I have no regrets. I got serious real world seasoning in without the threat of getting barred
    and avoided the quick crazy bankroll volatility that comes with the bigger spreads. I don't think your idea is stupid at all.

    I did want to add that if the game has great pen, spreading 1-3 in DD will generate positive EV and if you stick around long enough you will get the quick shoulder massage.
    Last edited by UncleChoo; 03-20-2023 at 08:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    As Don published recently, you are supposed to spread 1-4, 1-6, and 1-8 for double-deck games. That is the bible.
    He specifically said he didn't care about winning and just wanted to play for comps.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleChoo View Post
    I did want to add that if the game has great pen,
    Wouldn't hold my breath for that in Las Vegas.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Wouldn't hold my breath for that in Las Vegas.

    Don
    Locals joints - there’s a few you can crush 1-4, 1-5.

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    Yeah it's worked really well for me. What are your goals and limitations?

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    I found this calculator, not sure how accurate it is for the comp rates

    https://easy.vegas/gambling/comps-how-to-milk-them

    It looks like a 2D game (H17 DAS) with an average bet of $100 , 70 hands an hour, will have a comp rate of $5 to $21 an hour based on how generous the comp program. The basic strategy loss is $32/hour (.46% house advantage). If one was to take breaks at the right time and spread 1-3, it's likely the OP could overcome the basic strategy loss. It will take a lot of hours at the tables to earn RFB.

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    It’s so stressful and risky to play DD games. You could lose a lot in one session. I will never understand the logic here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zach Black View Post
    I found this calculator, not sure how accurate it is for the comp rates

    https://easy.vegas/gambling/comps-how-to-milk-them
    My ears are burning.

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    My source for comp rates is noted in the calculator. If someone has another source, I'm all ears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBluejay View Post
    My source for comp rates is noted in the calculator. If someone has another source, I'm all ears.

    I've never played for comps, so I googled casino comp rates and came up with your calculator.


    I thought I've seen skill level plays a role in your rating for theoretical loss in other threads or books. The 2% loss for an average player is likely a good number. If you get pegged as a basic strategy player or better, then the theoretical loss drops at some sharp casinos. The only book I've read on the subject was Comp City by Max Rubin which is kind of old now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zach Black View Post
    The 2% loss for an average player is likely a good number.
    I don't think so. The figure I use in my calculator (explained in the article) is 0.75% for 3:2 games; the source (cited) was the Wizard of Odds, who in turn cited an executive at a major strip casino. At 2%, you wouldn't even have to count+spread in order to come out ahead from comps.

    I would love to have a more recent source (and one for 6:5 blackjack, and info on how they rate for skill), but that info is hard to come by. Maybe the pit boss would tell me if I simply ask...
    Last edited by MichaelBluejay; 03-28-2023 at 02:19 PM.

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