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    CVCX Playing Strategy

    For the CVCX KO Preferred playing strategy, why do the tables not show surrender 8,8 vs 8 at the pivot? According to the KO book, you should surrender Hard 16 vs 8 at the pivot so shouldn't that include a pair of 8s?
    What I find to be a bit of a contradiction is CVCX KO Preferred playing strategy does show surrender for 7,7 vs 10 and A at the pivot point. The KO book does state to surrender Hard 14 vs 10 and A at the pivot so I guess that includes a pair of 7s?

    I guess what I'm wondering is if you surrender 7,7 vs 10 and A why not surrender 8,8 vs 8? If you surrender in the first scenario why not in the second?

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    88 and 16 are not the same thing.
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    88 and 16 are not the same thing.
    Then why do you treat 7,7 and 14 as the same thing?

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    I don't.
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    I don't.
    Then why do the tables in CVCX show surrender 7,7 vs 10 and A? This is an extension of surrender Hard 14 vs 10 and A.

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    If you want the tables to be different, create a user strategy and change it.
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    The point I am making is you are treating Hard 14 and 7,7 as the same thing. The KO book does not explicitly state to surrender 7,7 vs 10 and A so why did you add these plays in the KO Preferred playing strategy?

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    I probably assumed the version of the book I wrote assumed that if it didn't state otherwise. I don't remember a table I created a couple decades ago.
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    Given what you know now, is it ever correct to surrender 7,7 vs 10 and A? I guess I can run simulations to determine whether these plays make sense.

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    I am months behind on my work and have no time to run sims like this.
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    I am months behind on my work and have no time to run sims like this.
    I'm wasn't asking you to run simulations. I was just asking your opinion on whether it ever makes sense to surrender 7,7 vs 10 and A.

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    Of course. Two of the 7s are out and 7 is a good card in these hands.
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    Thanks, but why not simply stand on these two plays when the count is high? Wouldn't the EV of standing here have to be greater than -50% in order to justify surrendering?

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