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    Question NOOB QUESTION (6:5 Blackjack)

    Sorry for the noob question. I always heard that 6:5 blackjack shoe games ( & the rest ) should never be played and I understand that. But what about if there is good penetration (one deck cut off)? I'm red chipping in a small cardroom and I'm pretty sure the guys there don't know about counting. I don't know if it could be a good practice spot. my bankroll can only comfortably afford a 1-7 spread of min. 5 max 35

    Only other casino close is a tribal (with better rules) that I don't want to lose unless I'm playing a much higher EV game down the line, but if I have to start there then I'll do that

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    There are a lot of variables that determine the house edge however, the house increases their edge by roughly 400% when dealing the 6:5 variant. In a standard 3:2 blackjack game, the house edge, for player playing perfect basic strategy (no counting and no deviations), is approximately 0.5%. That means a similar game with the 6:5 BJ variant has a house edge of approximately 2%.

    If you estimate a 0.5% player advantage for each increase in the true count of +1, you would need a true +4 or higher to offset the house edge of a 6:5 blackjack and have the player gain the advantage - even with deep penetration.

    Anything below a true +4 would be a losing game.

    Best you can do is to practice card counting, at the dealer speed, deck estimation and hit/stand/split/DD decisions from a distance not seated.
    Last edited by CuriousOne; 12-07-2022 at 08:49 PM.

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    Thanks for the help.., 6:5 really does suck

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    A 1:7 spread would be a losing game even if BJ paid 3:2. Practice at home and build your bankroll. It's cheaper. Then travel.

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    I know it's not ideal to start out small but I've heard it's still grindable, I read that you should have 100 max bets so thats where I got that $5-$35 from.
    Is it losing in terms of me not producing enough EV to get through swings? I'm curious, thanks

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    It's 100 max bets when your max bet is appropriate for the game. For example, in that 6:5 shoe game, you'd probably need to spread from 5-250

    It's losing in that a 7 unit max bet isn't enough to overcome all the -EV hands you'd play, unless you're back-counting and playing +EV hands only.

    The best investment you could make now is Norm's CVCX software. You can set the rules, your spread, etc., and see exactly what would happen.

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    I don't think CVCX even has an option for 6:5 "blackjack"?

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    Yes, it does if you create your own sim.
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    Norm - you should update CVCX. When the BJ payout is changed to 6:5, the screen blinks in red "Don't Even Think About It!"

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    Or if a casino selects 6:5. it shows a huge player edge.
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