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    What's the standard procedure for card counters to cash out chips at far casinos?

    Let's say you make a trip somewhere far away, and you're probably not coming back in a long time.

    What's the normal procedure of cashing out chips without getting ID'd and databased? I'm currently not databased and want to stay that way.

    "Cash them out in increments" - I'm not sure how well that'd work at far away casinos. I can see it working at local casinos where you can visit every day. But are you really going to wait 12 hours to cash out a mesely $900 during the opposite cashier shift?


    Especially, how do you cash out without getting ID'd if you just got backed off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Putin View Post
    Let's say you make a trip somewhere far away, and you're probably not coming back in a long time.

    What's the normal procedure of cashing out chips without getting ID'd and databased? I'm currently not databased and want to stay that way.

    "Cash them out in increments" - I'm not sure how well that'd work at far away casinos. I can see it working at local casinos where you can visit every day. But are you really going to wait 12 hours to cash out a mesely $900 during the opposite cashier shift?


    Especially, how do you cash out without getting ID'd if you just got backed off.
    Some ideas that have all worked for me:

    Save the chips for the next time you make the trip.

    Trade or sell them to a local AP.

    For a large casino, cash out some with a different cashier (poker room, for example).

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    Plan on going in on your last day, on a different shift, and limit your chip cashing to less than $1300 or thereabouts. Different places have different thresholds for ID, so you may have to start with smaller amounts. Have a friend cash a batch of chips for you if you don't want to show your face. After a session, don't color up at a table for any yellow/orange chips (stick with Black or Purple as your highest denomination). Cashing a $1000 chip may prompt a request for an ID or Player's card.

    Nothing wrong with holding on to them till your next trip unless you need to keep the funds liquid. Need to keep your eyes out for notifications that a store is retiring their chips and replacing them with new ones. They'll set a date after which you can't cash in the old chips.
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    Some casinos now are requiring ID at the cage for any amount you want to cash in. I had to send my friend to cash the chips in order to hide my ID. 5:6 Blackjack and requiring ID at the cage are making the life of AP players miserable.

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    I wonder sometimes whether it is legal for a casino cage to withhold paying a player who refuses to show ID. Is there any lawyer in this forum who can help with the answer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tex View Post
    I wonder sometimes whether it is legal for a casino cage to withhold paying a player who refuses to show ID. Is there any lawyer in this forum who can help with the answer?

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    Kind of irrelevant isn’t it? If anonymity is essential to you, then the day you start quoting lawyers and arguing with Helen at the cage, you become very noticeable and memorable. If you know they’ll ask for ID, plan for that. If you don’t know, say “aww crap, left it in my car”, and then go plan for it.

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    I've used the US Postal Service to mail a very small amount of chips, and then the Tropicana mailed me a check. But this was about 5 years ago.

    Could you do this in, say, $80 or so increments per mailing?

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    Isn't cashing chips in increments illegal? Called structuring in the USA. If you break up $10,000 (ctr threshold) for whatever reason, you're money laundering. I'm not certain, but have seen this warning in other AP circles.

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    Only if it's to avoid a CTR. For amounts totaling significantly less than 10K, no.

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    I wonder sometimes whether it is legal for a casino cage to withhold paying a player who refuses to show ID. Is there any lawyer in this forum who can help with the answer?

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    I am definitely not a lawyer. But, some nuances:


    • They may want to fill out an SAR (>$3K). I don’t think this gives them the right to ask ID. And, casinos don’t like to fill them out.
    • Bonuses and jackpots over certain amounts require tax forms.
    • Tribal casinos have their own rules.
    • I believe NJ Casino Control Commission can ask anyone for an id at any time.
    • If you are young, they have a right to see proof of age as they allow gambling and alcohol.
    • Some states have state exclusion lists, including self-barring.
    • Of course they can trespass you for refusing in some states. You are supposed to sign that you have received a trespass (as if anyone can read my writing). Refusing is pointless as they have your photo. Besides, if they are going to trespass you – what is the point of refusing id?


    Having said that, I suggest never using the L words: law, legal, lawyer, litigation. And never use the term “Constitutional Rights”.

    An old story I’m sure I’ve told before. Caesars main casino, I was cashing in just slightly under CTR. It was a rainbow stack of chips as I was purposely getting different chips to take back to my room for photos when I was experimenting with game graphics. Two red flags: Just under CTR and rainbow stack. She asked for id. I looked at her eyes, shrugged and said: ”You don’t need that”, and looked away. When saying something unexpected, looking in someone’s eyes can give a sense of honesty, while looking too long can seem threatening. Also, I didn’t use the word I as in “I won’t give you that”; so I wasn't literally refusing. She said really needed and I essentially repeated. She said she had to call a supervisor. OK. Supervisor came and the conversation started the same. Realize there exist many folk that don’t want their id out in a casino: wife, business partners, constituents, and casinos know this. She asked where I got the chips. I said in the back casino. Asked if I knew the table. I said three tables, I don’t remember which. She said she’d walk me back and see if I could identify the tables. OK. On the way, I engaged her in friendly banter about how many changes there were in the casino over the years. There, she asked if I remembered the dealers. I don’t really look at people. She said she would see if she could find my cashout slip. She went to the desk in the pit and started looking for an amount around mine without a player’s card. Eventually, she came back and said she found one that was about right. No way it was the correct one as I played at three tables. She walked me to the back cage and instructed them to cash me out.

    She met due diligence, and didn’t believe I was cashing out someone else’s chips or structuring. I got my cash, she felt satisfied that she had performed her job, and nobody died.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seedandfeed View Post
    Isn't cashing chips in increments illegal? Called structuring in the USA. If you break up $10,000 (ctr threshold) for whatever reason, you're money laundering. I'm not certain, but have seen this warning in other AP circles.
    For CTR yes,

    For casino's house rules for ID'ing card counters, no. It's way lower than $10000, often just $1000

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