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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    You can go to Settings-General Settings and click Enhanced Attachment Uploading off. This changes the uploader.
    Okay, did what you said. I will try again.

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    OK, so they get an A for effort, but having a line for doubling soft 12 is an obvious mistake.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Now I see it well, but as Don says, there is a line in the drawing that is a mistake. Crossing out that line the rest is correct.

    Sincerely,
    Cac

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    Took me a while to realize that only way to have "Soft 12" is "A-A" ...

    I would say that if you are genius and can do perfect counting all cards or maybe some bizzare counting system, there would be situations, where is acutaly better to HIT on AA Than SPLIT, especialy with rule that you cannot hit splitted Aces, but definitelly its better to split Aces than DD on them(Ofc if you 100% know that 9 is coming.... )

    There could be rule, than you can DD on Splited Aces, but I doubt that, the Edge casino would loose would be enormous...
    Last edited by Zabut; 09-21-2022 at 08:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zabut View Post
    I would say that if you are genius and can do perfect counting all cards or maybe some bizzare counting system, there would be situations, where is acutaly better to HIT on AA Than SPLIT,
    You don't need a bizarre system to do this. All point count systems will tell you not to split aces vs. 8, 9, T, and Ace, with reasonably attainable negative true counts. For Hi-Lo, for example, those values are -9, -8, -9, and -4, respectively. As often discussed, note that Wong's indices are all one higher, as he truncated, and I floored.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zabut View Post
    There could be rule, than you can DD on Splited Aces, but I doubt that, the Edge casino would loose would be enormous...
    Some casinos allow you to double down on split aces. I can think of a couple in MI. Kewadin Casino and Turtle Creek casino. I'm assuming they still have this rule. In fact they allowed double down for less as long as it met the table min.

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    i have a similar question too. one of the online bj i play here in asia, they allow you to hit or double down after split aces but not re-split them. should i double down when the dealer has 4, 5, 6?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwjman View Post
    i have a similar question too. one of the online bj i play here in asia, they allow you to hit or double down after split aces but not re-split them. should i double down when the dealer has 4, 5, 6?
    When resplitting is not allowed, Double A-A vs 6 (if allowed) if:
    (s17) number of decks <= 12
    (h17) always
    otherwise hit

    When resplitting is not allowed, Double A-A vs 5 (if allowed) if:
    (s17) decks <= 2
    (h17) decks <= 2
    otherwise hit

    hit A-A vs 4 if resplit is not allowed, do not double

    k_c

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    Your answer doesn't seem to correspond to the question. Read it again.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Your answer doesn't seem to correspond to the question. Read it again.

    Don
    Sorry Don, why do you say that the answer does not correspond to the question?
    If you are not allowed to re-split aces but you are allowed to hit or double down after splitting the first pair of aces dealt, I think K_C's answer is correct.
    In that case we are facing a true soft-12.

    Sincerely,
    Cac

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwjman View Post
    have a similar question too. one of the online bj i play here in asia, they allow you to hit or double down after split aces but not re-split them. should i double down when the dealer has 4, 5, 6?
    You don't state the rules, but for using 6D S17 I get the following indices to double A,A when you can't split:

    A,A vs 3: +9
    A,A vs 4: +4
    A,A vs 5: +1
    A,A vs 6: 0

    For 6D H17, I get

    A,A vs 3: +8
    A,A vs 4: +4
    A,A vs 5: +1
    A,A vs 6: 0

    These data were extracted from the sims I ran to generate indices for the upcoming book from Don and I. Too be fair, though, these specific plays are not discussed.

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    I should add the the above is for games where you can hit after splitting aces, as hwjman stated. It is not the same as the UP Michigan games MWP described, where your only choices are to double or stand. You can find the correct strategy for those games at

    https://wizardofodds.com/games/black...plitting-aces/

    Note that for most hands which you would normally hit, the correct strategy is to double for as little as possible.
    Last edited by Gronbog; 09-22-2022 at 08:51 AM.

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