The first time I am hearing you need to post some public post to get your money what’s it about?
Does this casino use KYC? thinking about using a Tor browser due to the fact that I'm in a restricted region.Originally Posted by Gramazeka
Do they take away deposits for counting. Or do they ban you whilst letting you withdraw the remainder of your balance.
If you're going after Evolution, they do not appear to have any WebSocket messages for "round end" as opposed to a certain other provider. In fact, there's even one out there that doesn't leak their WS messages. Go figure.
The problem is that even wonging in at exclusively +ev thresholds lands you with some volatile variance due to the low penetration + 8 decks. You can extend your count across as many tables as you want but the limiting factors are going to be seat access (possible solution via proxy seat hoppers) and the penetration. Even when you do get somewhat deep into the deck, it's back to the start of the shoe again, and you've probably only eked out a fraction of advantage.
Last edited by gfcts; 10-20-2022 at 11:04 PM.
It's been a while but, talking some serious strategy there! Navigating the world of online live casinos seems like a game itself. It's interesting how providers differ in their WebSocket messages. By the way, ever tried applying that level of analysis to something like Premier League predictions? Adds a whole new layer of excitement to the game!
Last edited by Jesswender; 02-20-2024 at 01:14 AM.
Hey guys, I started last year as an AP primarily targeting online casinos. Currently I'm in Vegas hitting double deck and 6 deck shoes but there are plenty of opportunities with online casinos. Here is a few methods I used last year that each made +20k each.
1. Race leaderboards, many online casinos reward their highest volume customers. However finding methods utilising rakeback can beat this. E.g. A game called PlayNGo craps allowed to bet an infinite amount on the odds while in play. (Dont exactly remember craps rules, but you could essentially make false bets than cancel them). Allowing you to reach rank 1 on the leaderboard.
2. Pragmatic Play blackjack Blazing 7ss. With a 25k bankroll(1% ror), card counting with a program I wrote across the 2 individual games taking advantage of 3 different sidebets and normal blackjack card counting in conjunction with the blackjack rakeback. ($50-60 per hour)
3. French Roulette, Casino offered 50% rakeback on roulette + 10% affiliate. They counted french roulette rakeback as normal rakeback for roulette = roughly (0.1)(1/37) advantage.
There are plenty of advantages online. I've made a bankroll doing this to count cards around the USA, from Australia. Just remember to individually check every cookie, use untraceable independent vpn ips, dont sign into same accounts without changing ips, keep withdrawals under 2k USD (varies via casino), go hard across multiple different accounts, don't have any account within 5-10k of profits, try to play instant withdrawal sites.
if they request ID, use a friend from an area friendly country/state. I had a problem with a casino called Duelbits that refused to cash me out around 3k USD, I paid my international friend to do id verification for me and created a smear campaign across multiple sites. Any casino that wants to be trusted will payout or have their reputation ruined.
Those are extremely creative hybrid plays. Well done. This is where the money is in modern advantage play.
I have been a professional online gambler for 25 years and have personally developed over a hundred plays. It never even occurred to me to attempt to game what you call the raceboards.
I'm guessing you know this but casinos which offer affiliate kickbacks and rakeback have never understood how easily this can be gamed using various methods, it is a zero-day exploit.
Last edited by Archvaldor; 02-16-2024 at 11:01 AM.
From what I've observed with race leaderboards, some plays are negative EV until you win the leaderboard prize, so you need to track other players and there intentions. For example slot players with high daily volume are normally whales who are betting thousands at a time. But baccarat/blackjack players are aware of these prizes and you may be finding yourself competing for them which ruins your EV. Therefore, tracking the online details of big players via facebook,instagram events etc can indicate where a good time to play is.
With the more active players as mentioned above, even if it means you may break even or barely in the profit, you have to go hard, to discourage them from future attempts and breaking their bankrolls with their less efficient methods. Additionally, some players may bet millions within a day on simple roughly -1%EV house games. The reason for this I believe is money laundering as I could link the player name to a major illegal cannabis brand within Canada. Obiviously the casinos won't do anything about this if they are from Curacao.
Ultimately, there is nothing scarier than seeing a player bet 2-3k USD a hand on baccarat in an attempt to rank #1 on the leaderboard with 5 minutes remaining. The favoured method I use is to bet approximately half of the daily place average with several hours remaining and then adjust my betting to other players within the last hour. Knowing when to chase and when to lock in a position is key as well as identifying observant players.
Ah I see. I understand you know, closer to a bricks and mortar tournament than the standard type of "we pay our biggest slot loser $100" offer. As you say if you can adjust strategically the edge is absolutely huge - though as you know it can be very frustrating to lose to big action on the final hands.
Very interesting. If it isn't something you want kept secret what casinos are these? Us-facing? Most offers like this I encountered were very vague and didn't have a running tally as to who was in the lead so it was too dfficult to work out how to exploit them generally-if in fact there was any extra prize money at all.
I love the social media suggestion that is pure genius.
Most of them were crypto casinos like rollbit, duelbits etc that have instant withdrawal. They normally advertise how much they offer in leaderboards. One I recommend doing is pragmatic plays blackjack competition, which offers 4K USD to the player with the most points. You gain points based on first 500 hands a day. Points go up exponentially with winning hands eg. 10 wins 1k points, 13 wins, 100k points, 15wins, 500k points.
As long as you make money on that hand/hands in 1 round it counts as a win. The strategy I've developed includes playing 2 hands and 2 sidebets. If you win either sidebet on the first hand, win the first hand, win a sidebet on the second hand, win a blackjack or a double on the second hand if your first hand loses, it counts as a winning round. This has an approximately 72% win rate per round.
You will have approximately 96% normal return with this stragety if you split to 2 hands after a small win streak of 3-4 hands playing normally.
For a 15hand winning streak required for a high payout, you have a (1/(0.72^(15))) chance of hitting the streak on each attempt using this method which is approximately (1/138), On average we use 4 hands per attempt (4x138). So you have approximately a 66% chance of hitting the 15x winning rounds daily, if we use the Two-Thirds-Rule(Useful for quickly calculating odds of an event happening) like a 1000-1 event happening within 1000 attempts.
If we play suboptimal blackjack in order to hit these win streaks we can guestimate that we are playing at a 10% house edge with a $10 minimum bet.
For 500hands of $16(2hands+sidebets) we are losing approximately $800 a day with this strategy and about $100 if we only use this method after 3 winning rounds which will decrease your chance of winning but increase your average EV.
The average winning player has about 1.5million points within a week. With prizes below:
1st- 4k US
2nd- 2k US
3rd- 1k US
4-10th several hundred
11th-Xth(who cares) $100-$X
A 15win streak will get you nearly 700k points, a 16win streak will get you 1.2million points, 17 will get 1.7million points etc. Event lasts for the entire week.
Good luck, and let us know the results.
Last edited by shadowfaxxhs; 02-21-2024 at 09:55 AM.
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