Agreed. More good points.
Someone probably made 7 figs arbing it down that low back in the mists of time.Originally Posted by Archvaldor
Oh yeah. You had several no-juice and many half juice books circa 2000.
Take your 10% bonus at both books, shoot for a middle and withdraw. Some of the easiest money ever.
I should have got rich with that but I didn't have the working capital for it at the time what with the slow pays. Others did. On the other hand they were taking big risks the whole industry would collapse given its total lack of regulation, so it was more like betting into a ponzi scheme and trying to withdraw fast. Questionable whether they didn't prosper at the wrong end of a 40/60 proposition. But hey they made cash.
There are some still making good money with arbitrage. Not my idea of fun.
And yet I am fully automating play on a strategy game much more complex than BJ. It is silly to equate bot play with self-driving cars.
And what do I care if my program goes crazy some night and donks off $10K playing Cleopatra while I am sleeping? I think it has earned the right to blow off a little steam gambling. It is not as if people are going to get killed when it goes rogue.
Games where real money is not used are much easier to bot. There is no financial liability other than wasted time.
You need to be a lot more certain with gambling. The upside when your program functions correctly is limited to a certain dollar amount per table. It is limitless when something goes wrong.
I have a feeling this is going to end very badly for you. I would strongly encourage you to consider utilizing your programming talents towards non-gambling games. You could get rich very from that if you put in the work based on what you said about pentolla.
So you're ripping out code in a weekend that OCRs real-world livestream elements with basically infinite freedom and millisecond time constraints? If so you're LOT better than me and probably better than just about everyone else, including the self-driving car guys.
Last edited by judgeholdem1848; 02-10-2025 at 02:59 PM.
You don't even know what game I am playing, but you are offering advice that I should quit? Thanks for your concern. I have been doing this bot play for four years, and my EV is quite positive and close to the theoretical profit. I don't think the casinos have any idea what I am up to and neither do you.
You have it exactly backwards. My profits are only limited by how long I stay alive and am willing to do the work. My maximum loss is limited to my account balance at a site. The program logs the complete game state, and this can state be checked against the transaction logs from the sites (or at least those sites that provide complete game readouts in their logs).
I am not doing OCR. I am doing something faster and more reliable for reading the game state. I sleep well at night while my bot is playing.
We are talking about blackjack with shallow penetration. If your account balance is too low you'll be tapping out all the time and that will significant reduce your hourly rate. By definition you have to deposit a decent amount of your bankroll or you aren't getting an effective ROI. In any case to make this work your expectation-which would be very low on an individual table basis-has to exceed any negative expectation caused by misplays resulting from internal or external glitches-it is less about the absolute value rather than your expectation.
You are making a lot of naive assumptions and you don't seem to have thought this through properly. That is why I am recommending you stay away from blackjack. If you are doing something else profitable then keep doing it, I don't know why you would even be discussing this.
A. The pen on these games is 50%, lol
B. You can't even trust that they are using honest decks (extra little cards)
C. Even if B isn't a concern, they can keep all your money off they determine you're only playing during +ev states of the game.
This sounds like a disaster waiting to happen, one way or another
A has been dealt with earlier in the thread and in multiple other similar threads.
Bad penetration means little if you can play ten games at once and wong in and out at will.
B&C: do you not think it would have shown up in the 30 years of online gambling we have had? There are many people who are up well over a million dollars from online ap.
Last edited by Archvaldor; 03-06-2025 at 01:19 AM.
if it's a computer why not get the best system out there such as Ultimate Thorp? Because the pen on most of these online casinos is awful so you might as well get one of the most efficient systems out there. I know halves is really good and the betting correlation is great but dang if you got a computer you could get even crazier with it.
I use a computer to play Bingo Blackjack online, but I would have an edge even using the awful strategy that DK posts on the help page.
If you have a computer, then there are much better strategy games to attack online than ordinary boring BJ. I know this is anathema on a BJ forum, but it would be a huge opportunity cost for me to play ordinary BJ unless the promo was specifically only for BJ play.
Expand your horizons.
Because these are online games you can use systems which will outperform any commercially available count system, or indeed anything a human can use.
You can improve on a system with 100% betting correlation, it is simple with a computer.
Last edited by Archvaldor; 03-06-2025 at 11:56 PM.
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