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    There are a few standard methods of handling discards (called pickup orders in CVData), usually one standard method in a casino. This has little effect other than when shuffle tracking or ace sequencing. I once saw a casino that had two discard trays. You'll probably never see this. Don't play at such a casino.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stefan View Post
    Thank u very much for your time and energy to analyse and answer my question.your answer from what I understand tell me that a poor shuffle or a specific clamping of groups of cards can alter the e.v. and SD of the game

    Correct?

    To be more detailed after 2000hours of playing there are some data that we have collected (hours/spread/index /e.v) of a group of counters that we play together against specific casinos with specific shuffle and our result of all players are worst than the cvcx Sims.

    I truly believe that people should pay more attention in this post if my conclusions are correct.

    Thanks everyone
    I wouldn't draw a conclusion from the example I gave you. What really matters is knowing where the high cards are after the shuffle and trying to bet accordingly.
    But that would be shuffle tracking.

    Sincerely,
    Cac

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    I found that old post that I was looking for ...

    It was from Garry baldy.he tried as an experiment to play against 6d unshuffled shoe only bs with no cut card.he lost 36 units.doesnt prove anything.i just mention it.

    Last question for norm and cacarulo.thanks for your patience and answers.

    Clumping some times is a natural result of the shuffle.
    Cvcx Bs and cc takes consider that and still gain a adv with proper spread.

    What would happen if a shuffle somehow was creating more clumping that the normal statistical expected?would u still be able to over come house edge with bs and cc?

    Would the e.v /s.d /no of a clumped shoe be the same with one randomly shuffled?

    Thanks for your time !

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    Do you understand that all data in the long run balances out and this includes simulation data?
    Why do you pay so much attention to unmixed shoes? Do you have soft BJRM 2000 ?
    p.s. Pay more attention to cheating.
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    Gramazeka nice to hear from you. I hope you are ok and this fucking war ends soon.

    I totally understand what u r telling me but I speak about a different thing.

    Soon I will be in the island ....

    I really want to meet u there and spend some time in some specific casinos as an observers.

    I know that u r also are blacklist other there but I need your eyes and your opinion.feel free to contact me any time for air tickets or accomodation.i will be more than happy

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    You have no idea what I have to go through. At night, between artillery shelling, I hide in the bathroom We've all been transported to an alternate reality...
    Last edited by Gramazeka; 07-22-2022 at 03:02 PM.
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    I am really sad to hear about your hard times in ukraine.exiting the country is not an option ?

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    We have adopted a law that prohibits all men under the age of 60 from leaving the country. It is very beneficial for someone that as many men as possible die on both sides. As the globalists say, it's harvest time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramazeka View Post
    We have adopted a law that prohibits all men under the age of 60 from leaving the country. It is very beneficial for someone that as many men as possible die on both sides. As the globalists say, it's harvest time.
    I support this law! I just wish all men were all in Ukraine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    I support this law! I just wish all men were all in Ukraine.
    Have you ever killed people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramazeka View Post
    Have you ever killed people?
    Why do keep responding to this troll?

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    Cacarulo, clarification please

    Quote Originally Posted by Cacarulo View Post
    Let's assume that we are going to play 6D-S17-DOA-DAS-SPA1-SPL3-NS-5/6, only basic strategy and as a counting system we will use Hi-Lo.
    We are not going to use any type of advantage play due to the fact of knowing the order of the cards or the knowledge of the next card.
    Let's also assume that there will be no shuffle procedure and NEW DECKS will be used from which we will only remove the jokers.
    Then we will put deck after deck in the shoe and start dealing. No burned cards.
    The first card to come out of the shoe will be an Ace, then a two, etc. etc.
    Playing BS and flat betting, what would our advantage/disadvantage be?
    The answer will depend on the brand of cards. There are brands where the order in which the cards are arranged inside the pack
    differs depending on the manufacturer. For example:

    Case #1: A->K of hearts, A->K of clubs, A->K of diamonds, A->K of spades.
    Case #2: A->K of hearts, A->K of clubs, K->A of diamonds, K->A of spades. (Bicycle)

    In both cases the EV is positive but in case #2 it's better.

    Case #1:

    EV = 0.300000
    Var = 0.760000
    Sd = 0.871780

    Case #2:

    EV = 0.468750
    Var = 0.587565
    Sd = 0.766528

    30% in the first case and 47% in the second!
    Penetration does not alter EV.

    Hope this helps.

    Sincerely,
    Cac
    Cacarulo,

    Forgive me please if the answer is obvious, but did you mean, respectively, .30% and .47%, or did you really mean a whopping, respectively, 30% and 47%?

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    Who is that someone Putin?
    Quote Originally Posted by Gramazeka View Post
    We have adopted a law that prohibits all men under the age of 60 from leaving the country. It is very beneficial for someone that as many men as possible die on both sides. As the globalists say, it's harvest time.

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