See the top rated post in this thread. Click here

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 13 of 14

Thread: Spreads and heat

  1. #1


    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful. Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No

    Spreads and heat

    Hi all,

    It would be great to hear what spreads people use comfortably vs what starts to attract heat. I'm currently playing low stakes <$10 min bet and I'm interested to hear what kind of spreads are 'safe' to apply without attracting too much attention and what might be seen as asking for trouble.

    It may be that I'm on such low stakes that I needn't worry too much about high spreads for the moment, but I don't have the necessary experience to back that up and I could do with some insight on what a typical low/medium/high spread looks like. Right now, my perception is that a 1-12 spread feels high when I'm sitting at the table, but other people might think it's still very natural looking.

    Furthermore, do jumps in spreads (i.e. going from 1 unit at TC 1 to 5 units at TC 2) attract more heat than having more gradual increments and decrements with each TC as they are simulated in CVCX?

    Interested in thoughts and experiences.

    Kind Regards

  2. #2


    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful. Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Depends on the location of the games. I played some Double Deck games in the winter in Vegas Spreading (Starting with red chips) 1-8 and 1-12 and I got backed off in 3 different spots. In each case it took about 30 minutes and I was backed off. I played in the summer spreading 1-5 and had no problems. Seems like Vegas in very quick to back people off.

  3. #3


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Quote Originally Posted by GcBlackjack View Post
    Depends on the location of the games. I played some Double Deck games in the winter in Vegas Spreading (Starting with red chips) 1-8 and 1-12 and I got backed off in 3 different spots. In each case it took about 30 minutes and I was backed off. I played in the summer spreading 1-5 and had no problems. Seems like Vegas in very quick to back people off.
    Interesting, thanks.

    Are red chips worth $5 in Vegas? (I'm still getting to grips with the lingo)

  4. #4


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Yes, a red chip is $5
    G Man

  5. #5


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Yes Red $5 Green $25 Black $100

  6. #6


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    One idea for you that will help to get a general idea of the bet spreads you want to use is to use CVCX and work backwards by adjusting your bet spreads to get a 1% overall advantage for your specified game. Advantages greater than 1.5% might be perceived by a casino as being too greedy and could get you heated up. Advantages less than 0.5% usually aren't worth playing for most players.

    If you're a red chip player jumping your bets should be OK. After you've lost a hand, you can jump your bet by acting like you're trying to get your money back. After you've won a hand, you can jump your bet acting like you're trying to let the winnings ride. Jumping your bet after a push sometimes looks weird.

  7. #7


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    "use CVCX and work backwards by adjusting your bet spreads to get a 1% overall advantage"

    Can you tell me where it shows overall advantage as a percentage on CVCX, maybe a screenshot example if possible? Thank you.

  8. #8


    0 out of 1 members found this post helpful. Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    roliin, his entire post is a bunch of nonsense I would ignore that. The one thing I agree with is that jumping your bet after a push can definitely look weird

  9. #9
    Random number herder Norm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    The mote in God's eye
    Posts
    12,461
    Blog Entries
    59


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Jumping a bet after a push does look weird. But, you can get away with it.
    "I don't think outside the box; I think of what I can do with the box." - Henri Matisse

  10. #10
    Random number herder Norm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    The mote in God's eye
    Posts
    12,461
    Blog Entries
    59


    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful. Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Quote Originally Posted by roliin View Post
    "use CVCX and work backwards by adjusting your bet spreads to get a 1% overall advantage"

    Can you tell me where it shows overall advantage as a percentage on CVCX, maybe a screenshot example if possible? Thank you.
    Well, it's in the blue oval at the bottom of this image. But, you should concentrate on SCORE, not EV.

    curve11.jpg
    "I don't think outside the box; I think of what I can do with the box." - Henri Matisse

  11. #11


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    [QUOTE=Norm;305394 But, you should concentrate on SCORE, not EV.

    Got it, thx. Was just curious. I'm showing all columns but EV. Do I need to play with the settings?

  12. #12
    Random number herder Norm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    The mote in God's eye
    Posts
    12,461
    Blog Entries
    59


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    It's the circled column. But, it was called something else in CVCX V5.
    "I don't think outside the box; I think of what I can do with the box." - Henri Matisse

  13. #13


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    It's the circled column. But, it was called something else in CVCX V5.

    Missed it, thx. It was %W/L

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Zero Heat Bet Spreads
    By DK-Diggity in forum General Blackjack Forum
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 05-19-2022, 11:28 AM
  2. Aggressive spreads 6D+
    By BJC in forum General Blackjack Forum
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 08-02-2020, 06:52 PM
  3. Artguy: 2Dk spreads
    By Artguy in forum Blackjack Main
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 10-24-2005, 06:17 AM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

About Blackjack: The Forum

BJTF is an advantage player site based on the principles of comity. That is, civil and considerate behavior for the mutual benefit of all involved. The goal of advantage play is the legal extraction of funds from gaming establishments by gaining a mathematic advantage and developing the skills required to use that advantage. To maximize our success, it is important to understand that we are all on the same side. Personal conflicts simply get in the way of our goals.