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    Quote Originally Posted by xingu View Post
    During the sessions I observed, they managed to put a 2 3 4 5 or 6 in the bank more than 50% of the time! It was amazing. they don't play every hand and they wait for the right moment to bet
    What are you saying? What put small cards in the bank? What bank??

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    U still didn't answer me.the game that the this team beat was 6d or 4d?

    Also how many hands @each round they were playing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xingu View Post
    I'm not talking about two consecutive cards in the same slot. I'm talking that each card is going to be inserted at the end of a slot, and the team is able to listen to the machine to identify when the last card in the slot is going to arrive based on the buffer size , and this card has a high probability of being a card reinserted into the machine in the previous round (logical). This team has completely killed the casino and is able to give to the bank the last card of a slot
    I recently researched this one2six machine. The casino music was just too loud for a player to hear any sound from this machine. When six players were playing, the average number of cards that have been played and then collected to the bank was about 40, and it takes about one second to feed each card back into the spinning roller. Based on these numbers, we find it seems unlikely to gain an edge from card counting with only these 40 cards. However, when the environment is quiet, there is definitely a rhythm from this machine for players to explore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xingu View Post
    Hello, I have seen for two weeks at the casino a team playing very strangely on the CSM One2six. They manage to put small cards in the bank very often. I studied a bit, and I deduced that they were listening to the mechanism of the CSM. As soon as there was a round in play with a lot of low cards, after the dealer put the cards back into the CSM, they listened to the machine to know when the cards would come back. Apparently the cards return to a specific position in each compartment (at the very beginning, or at the very end), and they manage to identify the position and put the card in the bank. Do any of you know anything about this? I'm very interested in it, and this team has won a lot.
    During the sessions I observed, they managed to put a 2 3 4 5 or 6 in the bank more than 50% of the time! It was amazing. they don't play every hand and they wait for the right moment to bet
    I just read the OP, because, honestly some people who reply here don't have a clue.

    There was a time (at least a decade ago) when "listening" to the CSM was possible and was used to beat the machines. The preferred game was Casino War, though other games may also have been vulnerable. If the team happened to find very old CSM's, this could very well be what is going down -- you could definitely track specific cards through the machine. My sense is that another thing to look for (if this is overseas) is a "split for less" team. This is very popular right now in certain Asian locations.
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    How accurate can it be? Say you are so gifted in hearing to narrow it to one of five slots, when each card comes out it can be one of the five. Possible though you must have a complex memory system to go along and also figure at the same time when the cards come out

    Quote Originally Posted by Eliot View Post
    I just read the OP, because, honestly some people who reply here don't have a clue.

    There was a time (at least a decade ago) when "listening" to the CSM was possible and was used to beat the machines. The preferred game was Casino War, though other games may also have been vulnerable. If the team happened to find very old CSM's, this could very well be what is going down -- you could definitely track specific cards through the machine. My sense is that another thing to look for (if this is overseas) is a "split for less" team. This is very popular right now in certain Asian locations.

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    The machine sound effect is legit.
    Sequence card @6 decks csm is legit.
    Card-counting @4decks csm is legit
    Basic strategy +e.v @csm with sur A and Xtra doubling is legit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stefan View Post
    The machine sound effect is legit.
    Sequence card @6 decks csm is legit.
    Card-counting @4decks csm is legit
    Basic strategy +e.v @csm with sur A and Xtra doubling is legit.
    Yep.

    I don't want to say anything more about the sound thing because that one is especially dicey given my direct knowledge of specific instances from the surveillance side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliot View Post
    I just read the OP, because, honestly some people who reply here don't have a clue.

    There was a time (at least a decade ago) when "listening" to the CSM was possible and was used to beat the machines. The preferred game was Casino War, though other games may also have been vulnerable. If the team happened to find very old CSM's, this could very well be what is going down -- you could definitely track specific cards through the machine. My sense is that another thing to look for (if this is overseas) is a "split for less" team. This is very popular right now in certain Asian locations.
    I feel the trick is on the match-the-dealer side bet, but I don’t know how.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliot View Post
    direct knowledge of specific instances from the surveillance side.
    Knowing what surveillance knows (or what they think they know), can be key in beating the game.

    Here in Macau they waste little time on a proper investigation. It is very simple. A player that
    A) plays a wide spread.
    B) plays at least 99% basic strategy.
    C) wins.
    D) is known to be an AP.
    If 3 out of 4 have been confirmed, he (or she) will be banned, instead of what these fvckers should do, which is contact SG Gaming and ask them how come certain players can win?!

    P.S. I never gave casinos that golden advice.

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    Do they even believe 126 is beatable? There’s a reason they invest 10k into these 126 isn’t there

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    Well, there was a reason. Doesn't mean it was a good reason.
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    They bought to thwart counting and shuffle cheating. But after it spending so much will they still constantly keep watch for APs when it is to thwart?

    They watch behaviour more I think which alerts them rather than spreads or BS or wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Well, there was a reason. Doesn't mean it was a good reason.
    BINGO!

    It is in the interest of table games, security, surveillance and last but not least the legal team that there is such a thing as advantage play(ers) in order for them to keep their jobs. So who do these guys rip off the most: The owners/shareholders! Not that I have any sympathy for them either, but what it all tells you is that the money that is being made through AP (especially in Macau) is far less than what is needed to avoid it.

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