Team beating the CSM

[xingu]

Hello, I have seen for two weeks at the casino a team playing very strangely on the CSM One2six. They manage to put small cards in the bank very often. I studied a bit, and I deduced that they were listening to the mechanism of the CSM. As soon as there was a round in play with a lot of low cards, after the dealer put the cards back into the CSM, they listened to the machine to know when the cards would come back. Apparently the cards return to a specific position in each compartment (at the very beginning, or at the very end), and they manage to identify the position and put the card in the bank. Do any of you know anything about this? I'm very interested in it, and this team has won a lot.
During the sessions I observed, they managed to put a 2 3 4 5 or 6 in the bank more than 50% of the time! It was amazing. they don't play every hand and they wait for the right moment to bet

[Norm]

Unless they have stupidly changed the software, no two consecutive discards go in the same slot.

I'm not saying the machine is unbeatable. The original software was.

[xingu]

I'm not talking about two consecutive cards in the same slot. I'm talking that each card is going to be inserted at the end of a slot, and the team is able to listen to the machine to identify when the last card in the slot is going to arrive based on the buffer size , and this card has a high probability of being a card reinserted into the machine in the previous round (logical). This team has completely killed the casino and is able to give to the bank the last card of a slot

[aceside]

I'm not talking about two consecutive cards in the same slot. I'm talking that each card is going to be inserted at the end of a slot, and the team is able to listen to the machine to identify when the last card in the slot is going to arrive based on the buffer size , and this card has a high probability of being a card reinserted into the machine in the previous round (logical). This team has completely killed the casino and is able to give to the bank the last card of a slot

I recently researched this one2six machine. The casino music was just too loud for a player to hear any sound from this machine. When six players were playing, the average number of cards that have been played and then collected to the bank was about 40, and it takes about one second to feed each card back into the spinning roller. Based on these numbers, we find it seems unlikely to gain an edge from card counting with only these 40 cards. However, when the environment is quiet, there is definitely a rhythm from this machine for players to explore.

[Eliot]

Hello, I have seen for two weeks at the casino a team playing very strangely on the CSM One2six. They manage to put small cards in the bank very often. I studied a bit, and I deduced that they were listening to the mechanism of the CSM. As soon as there was a round in play with a lot of low cards, after the dealer put the cards back into the CSM, they listened to the machine to know when the cards would come back. Apparently the cards return to a specific position in each compartment (at the very beginning, or at the very end), and they manage to identify the position and put the card in the bank. Do any of you know anything about this? I'm very interested in it, and this team has won a lot.
During the sessions I observed, they managed to put a 2 3 4 5 or 6 in the bank more than 50% of the time! It was amazing. they don't play every hand and they wait for the right moment to bet

I just read the OP, because, honestly some people who reply here don't have a clue.

There was a time (at least a decade ago) when "listening" to the CSM was possible and was used to beat the machines. The preferred game was Casino War, though other games may also have been vulnerable. If the team happened to find very old CSM's, this could very well be what is going down -- you could definitely track specific cards through the machine. My sense is that another thing to look for (if this is overseas) is a "split for less" team. This is very popular right now in certain Asian locations.

[aceside]

I just read the OP, because, honestly some people who reply here don't have a clue.

There was a time (at least a decade ago) when "listening" to the CSM was possible and was used to beat the machines. The preferred game was Casino War, though other games may also have been vulnerable. If the team happened to find very old CSM's, this could very well be what is going down -- you could definitely track specific cards through the machine. My sense is that another thing to look for (if this is overseas) is a "split for less" team. This is very popular right now in certain Asian locations.

I feel the trick is on the match-the-dealer side bet, but I don’t know how.

[zbest1966]

wow, they must have played for a long time together so they can learn the system together

[peterlee]

Would you pm me about what are the model of the CSM? and where is the casino?

[xingu]

This one http://www.thetpro.com/poker/one2six/ . I don't want to say where it was sorry

[Norm]

Yes, you'll find inside pictures here: https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/album.php?albumid=8

But, I'm not understanding. A card will not be replayed soon. The device does not use a slot until it contains a certain number of cards. If they are trying to track the cards by sound, that would be incredibly difficult. Also, the machine could easily be programmed to avoid this, although I tend to doubt they would have done this. .

[stefan]

4 decks or 6 ? Both can be beaten in different ways.

[aceside]

The CSM One2six shuffle machines handle one deck only, I guess. For machines handling 6-deck shoes, I found it is possible to beat them when there are six players at the same table to use up a lot of cards in one round so that the remaining deck of the shoe is predictable.

[Norm]

The CSM One2six shuffle machines handle one deck only, I guess.

Why would you think they call it a One2Six?