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    During the worst times of this virus insanity I had nothing better to do but to teach my CA to approximate indexes depending upon counting system, running count, and cards remaining. This is what I get for T-6 versus 10 for 2 and 6 decks using Hi-Lo.

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    T-6 versus 10, Hi-Lo
    
    ** 2 decks **
    Cards remaining (before up card)     RC (after up card)    TC ref (afer up card)
    
    102-98                               hit                   ------------
    97-89                                stand >= 4            2.2 to 2.4
    88-62                                stand >= 3            1.8 to 2.6
    61-36                                stand >= 2            1.7 to 3.0
    35-8                                 stand >= 1            1.5 to 7.4
    
    
    ** 6 decks **
    Cards remaining (before up card)     RC (after up card)    TC ref (afer up card)
    
    310-306                              hit                   ------------
    305-243                              stand >= 4            0.7 to 0.9
    242-168                              stand >= 3            0.6 to 0.9
    167-94                               stand >= 2            0.6 to 1.1
    93-17                                stand >= 1            0.7 to 3.2 
    16-14                                stand >= 0            0.0 to 0.0
    13-8                                 stand >= 1            4.3 to 7.4
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    Last edited by k_c; 03-28-2022 at 12:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k_c View Post
    During the worst times of this virus insanity I had nothing better to do but to teach my CA to approximate indexes depending upon counting system, running count, and cards remaining. This is what I get for T-6 versus 10 for 2 and 6 decks using Hi-Lo.

    Code:
    T-6 versus 10, Hi-Lo
    
    ** 2 decks **
    Cards remaining (before up card)     RC (after up card)    TC ref (afer up card)
    
    102-98                               hit                   ------------
    97-89                                stand >= 4            2.17 to 2.35
    88-62                                stand >= 3            1.79 to 2.56
    61-36                                stand >= 2            1.73 to 2.97
    35-8                                 stand >= 1            1.53 to 7.43
    
    
    ** 6 decks **
    Cards remaining (before up card)     RC (after up card)    TC ref (afer up card)
    
    310-306                              hit                   ------------
    305-243                              stand >= 4            0.68 to 0.86
    242-168                              stand >= 3            0.65 to 0.93
    167-94                               stand >= 2            0.63 to 1.12
    93-17                                stand >= 1            0.67 to 3.25 
    16-14                                stand >= 0            0.00 to 0.00
    13-8                                 stand >= 1            4.33 to 7.43
    k_c
    I like your work.
    Last time you showed the insurance TC index decreases as the number of remaining cards decreases.
    Today you showed the 16vs10 TC index increases as the number of remaining cards decreases.

    Let us just fix to a 6-deck game and evaluate this HiLo only at two different deck levels: at 156 remaining cards and at 52 cards remaining. These two levels are money levels. Hope to see more of these.
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    Interesting! You're on the right track. For 2D I get similar results:

    16vT = -0,03 (Generic)
    T6vT = 1,78
    97vT = -0,11
    88vT = -0,08

    15vT = 3,78 (Generic)
    T5vT = 3,53
    96vT = 3,54
    87vT = 3,55

    Sincerely,
    Cac

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    Not much off topic, but still I'm wondering - What is the best processor for computing and for poker + Holden manager 2 ? Ryzen 3700x or 5600x ?
    Last year I upgraded my computer and bought a Ryzen 5600x, which I was very, very happy with. But I was surprised to find that the previous generation of processors for the same price, in particular the Ryzen 3700x, is perhaps better suited for computing, due to more threads. What are your opinions? This is a Hi Tech gourmet question.
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    Currently, Intel Alder Lake chips are at the top of most tech site ratings for single and multi-threading.
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    I have updated the post. There is a fine line in the matter of these two processors in particular.

    https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compar...00X/4043vs4084

    The question remains open - which processor is better for computing and for online poker?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramazeka View Post
    Not much off topic, but still I'm wondering - What is the best processor for computing and for poker + Holden manager 2 ? Ryzen 3700x or 5600x ?
    Last year I upgraded my computer and bought a Ryzen 5600x, which I was very, very happy with. But I was surprised to find that the previous generation of processors for the same price, in particular the Ryzen 3700x, is perhaps better suited for computing, due to more threads. What are your opinions? This is a Hi Tech gourmet question.
    Unless you are using parallel computing more threads doesn't do anything really. Also what you really want is more physical cores and not threads. Some results show that hyper threading slows down High Performance Computing and people usually turn it off.
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    Yeah, I've found enormous variability in the usefulness of hyperthreading. With my previous chip, it was nearly useless. More useful with the chip prior to that. I would imagine that hyperthreading would not provide much gain with high floating point or vector usage. It might just thrash the various caches. We also see chips perform quite differently with different benchmarks. Can't really just look at specs and predict performance these days.

    Of course none of that matters if the software isn't multi-threaded.
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    Tom's Hardware now says the 5600X is obsolete, replaced by the 5700X at the same MSRP, although likely not the same street price.

    https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ry...0x-geekbench-5
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    The 5600x was the best selling processor in the world a year ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramazeka View Post
    I have updated the post. There is a fine line in the matter of these two processors in particular.

    https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compar...00X/4043vs4084

    The question remains open - which processor is better for computing and for online poker?
    You are comparing 3700x (a processor two generation older than the latter) vs 5600x. The newer one is always better, much better. Just one year makes much difference, let alone two years. And Intel usually makes one generation update every 12 to 16 months. AMD takes even longer. So that 3700x is like an antique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    You are comparing 3700x (a processor two generation older than the latter) vs 5600x. The newer one is always better, much better. Just one year makes much difference, let alone two years. And Intel usually makes one generation update every 12 to 16 months. AMD takes even longer. So that 3700x is like an antique.
    Agree. But in this case, we have 6 new generation cores versus 8 old generation cores.
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