Correlation coefficients & simulations

**Norm** · 02-01-2022, 01:58 PM

The problem with ST when play zones (the zones you know have good cards) are very small is that the dealer may end up drawing cards past the play zone. Actually, this is a problem with any size play zone -- but happens far more often in a small zone. If you have a high count in the play zone, the cards outside of the zone will have a count of the opposite sign. Kind of screws up counting theory when the dealer hand may contain cards from high and low counts at the same time. One of the dangers of ST.

**21forme** · 02-01-2022, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by aceside

I don’t know what you and Norm are talking about, but

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**Freightman** · 02-01-2022, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by 21forme

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Im sure I’ve seen this before. I must be experiencing Déjà vu

**Secretariat** · 02-01-2022, 06:31 PM

Talking Déjà Vu, I was sure that thread was closed at some point. Must have dreamed it.

**aceside** · 02-02-2022, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by Norm

If you have a high count in the play zone, the cards outside of the zone will have a count of the opposite sign. Kind of screws up counting theory when the dealer hand may contain cards from high and low counts at the same time. One of the dangers of ST.

This is exactly what I want to ask. I read your book chapter about ST but forgot how you treated the math here. Suppose we observed a 13-card zone of all 10s and aces, then after a 2-pass shuffle, this 13 high cards will become evenly distributed into one deck of 52 cards. Suppose the 39 cards that were not in this original 13-card zone do not include any 10s and aces at all, then the high card portion in this play zone is only 13/52, less than the normal portion of 20/52. Does this mean ST will not work?

**Norm** · 02-02-2022, 10:11 AM

That doesn't correspond to any ST methodology I've heard of.

**bejammin075** · 02-02-2022, 10:22 AM

If you knew 1 deck was very low in good cards, you would probably try to cut it out of play.

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**Freightman** · 02-02-2022, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by bejammin075

If you knew 1 deck was very low in good cards, you would probably try to cut it out of play.

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In my limited shuffle track adventures, I would
cut poor slugs out of play
cut good slugs into play manipulating to right out of the chute or perhaps after first deck played
steer ace rich slug, usually to off the top
not good enough to steer ace to me off the top